Calvin’s god is not in Scripture

1. Kevin Failoni said,

   December 6, 2014 at 9:56 pm

   DeMaria said ” after you have done the will of God you might receive the promise. ” Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteouness. To as many as recieve Him, He has given them the right to be called children of God. So you keep doing the mass and I’ll simply believe the promise. K
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   De Maria said,

   December 6, 2014 at 10:29 pm

   Kevin Failoni said,
   December 6, 2014 at 9:56 pm

   DeMaria said ” after you have done the will of God you might receive the promise. ” Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteouness. To as many as recieve Him, He has given them the right to be called children of God. So you keep doing the mass and I’ll simply believe the promise. K

   You are rejecting the promise, Kevin. The book of Hebrews is the Word of God. It says in no uncertain terms:

   Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

   It also says:

   Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

   Scripture says about Abraham:

   Hebrews 11 8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

   By faith, Abraham worked.

   17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: 19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

   By faith, he sacrificed his son.

   Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

   By faith, he kept the Commandments before the Commandments were even written!

   That’s faith and works!

   And remember Kevin. St. Paul said he would be disqualified if he did not preach. Therefore, St. Paul is telling you that you must work the works of God if you want to be worthy of heaven.

   That’s right! If you want to be worthy of heaven:

   Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

   One thing I’m certain about, Kevin. You are being exposed to verses of the Bible that you didn’t know existed. These words of the Bible are spirit and life. May they open your heart and mind to understanding the True Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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   Kevin Failoni said,

   December 7, 2014 at 2:09 am

   DeMaria, one think I’m certain about DeMaria all the verses you say I never knew existed I knew existed long before you. I just read them differently than you. All the verses that Roman Catholic’s think are prescriptive, are in reality descriptive of someone who has been justified by faith alone in Christ alone. Roman Catholicism has taught you that you are sanctified before you are justified, but scripture clearly teaches us that we are justified before we are sanctified. Roman Catholic church teaches that the bread of the supper is a sacrifice for their sins, but scripture teaches us that the blood shed for us on the cross and the body broken on the cross was the sacrifice for our sins. Roman Catholics worship bread, thats what Jesus called it, listen John 13:18 ” I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled ” He who eats my BREAD has lifted his heel against me.” Or maybe we can hear Paul’s voice 1 corinthians 11:26, 27 ” Therefore whoever eats the BREAD or drinks the cup” ” for as often as you eat the BREAD” Or maybe Cleopas after it was consecrated, Luke 24: 35 ” They began to relate their experiences on the road to and how He was recognized by them in the breakage of the BREAD.” So you see DeMaria Catholics come away from the altar with their bellies full and their hearts empty of faith. They worship a crust of bread thinking that is the sacrifice for their sins, when in reality Christians worship the incarnate savior who is in heaven through the Spirit by faith and commemorate thru faith the one whose already shed blood has saved us. May the Lord open up your heart young man to understand the trueGospel of Jesus Christ. Hebrews is clear without Faith it is impossible to please Him. The real presence in the bread can’t save you, only the real presence of Christ in your heart through the Spirit that comes by faith.. God bless.
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   De Maria said,

   December 7, 2014 at 6:46 am

   Kevin Failoni said,
   December 7, 2014 at 2:09 am

   DeMaria, one think I’m certain about DeMaria all the verses you say I never knew existed I knew existed long before you. I just read them differently than you. All the verses that Roman Catholic’s think are prescriptive, are in reality descriptive of someone who has been justified by faith alone in Christ alone. ….

   There’s no sense me going past this first claim. Show me how your claim of descriptive helps you with this verse:

   Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

   Because that describes what all need to do in order to receive the promised salvation.

   And St. Paul described what he needed to do in order to enter heaven:

   1 Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

   He acknowledges that unless he preached, he would be disqualified and would not win the race.

   So, you can call this descriptive all you want. But it describes what happens to those who don’t do the will of God. They are disqualified from winning the crown of salvation.
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   Jason Loh said,

   December 7, 2014 at 7:50 am

   De Maria,

   You are one pathetic Romanist.

   1. The will of God is to BELIEVE in God.

   Perseverance is perseverance is belief, faith, trust. That’s what the Word of God says. Read John 6 again. The just shall walk by faith. Trust in God alone is the whole of the Christian life. Yes, I’m repeating myself — again …

   2. 1 Cor 9 is about CERTAINTY that we SHALL inherit the incorruptible crown. The CONTRAST is between those who strive for mastery in order to obtain a corruptible crown and those who strive BECAUSE they shall inherit an incorruptible crown. It is not prescriptive — it is indicative … Because you have, therefore you should … IOW, the guarantee, the CERTAINTY that we shall obtain the glorious crown should motivate us to strive … that is the SEQUENCE …

   3. Romanists like to REVERSE the sequence …
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   roberty bob said,

   December 7, 2014 at 9:52 am

   Jesus said to the sinner: Go, and sin no more.

   Luther said to the sinner: Be a sinner, and sin boldly. But let your faith be stronger . . . !
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   Vincent said,

   December 7, 2014 at 10:17 am

   DeMaria is it not safe to say that for the RC church we add nothing to the work of Christ but only participate in it and apply it to ourselves? So it is not really an addition per se?
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   Kevin Failoni said,

   December 7, 2014 at 5:06 pm

   Jason Loh, excellent response!
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   De Maria said,

   December 7, 2014 at 5:49 pm

   Jason Loh said,
   December 7, 2014 at 7:50 am

   De Maria,

   You are one pathetic Romanist.

   1. The will of God is to BELIEVE in God.

   Perseverance is perseverance is belief, faith, trust. That’s what the Word of God says.

   The Word of God also says:

   Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

   Read John 6 again.

   I’ve read it many times. What do you want me to read specifically?

   The just shall walk by faith.

   And without faith, it is impossible to please God.

   Trust in God alone is the whole of the Christian life.

   On the contrary, Scripture tells us to also trust in the men whom God appointed rulers of our souls:

   Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

   Yes, I’m repeating myself — again …

   So am I.

   2. 1 Cor 9 is about CERTAINTY that we SHALL inherit the incorruptible crown.

   If we finish the race.

   The CONTRAST is between those who strive for mastery in order to obtain a corruptible crown and those who strive BECAUSE they shall inherit an incorruptible crown.

   I would say it this way.

   The CONTRAST is between those who strive for mastery in order to obtain a corruptible crown and those who strive in order to inherit an incorruptible crown.

   This is why he says:

   lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

   Stressing that, if he doesn’t do the will of God, he will be condemned.

   It is not prescriptive — it is indicative …

   Prescriptive, descriptive and now indicative. Show me in Scripture where it says that these things are one or the other?

   As for me, I believe they are both/and. They describe what God prescribes for our salvation.

   However, I want you to show me from Scripture, where it says that these verses which you indicate are one or the other and not both.

   Because you have, therefore you should … IOW, the guarantee, the CERTAINTY that we shall obtain the glorious crown should motivate us to strive … that is the SEQUENCE …

   Except that the Reformed claim that human beings are totally depraved, therefore, guaranteeing salvation to depraved human beings tends to demotivate and remove incentive to do anything good.

   And the sequence is obvious to anyone who loves God. God commands us to REPENT first and then be baptized. Repentance is a good work:

   Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

   3. Romanists like to REVERSE the sequence …

   The Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ. The Protestants reversed the sequence for themselves when they rebelled against Christ’s Church.
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    roberty bob said,

    December 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    On the I Corinthians 9:24-27 passage . . . in reply to #133 Jason . . .

    “So run that yet may obtain.”

    Iranaeus [2nd century Bishop of Lyons] comments, “This able wrestler, therefore, exhorts us to the struggle for immortality, that we may be crowned.” This crown, he says, is “that which is acquired by our own struggle.”

    So, for this early church father, the crown was held out “that we may reach this prize for ourselves by striving after it.”

    ………..

    It’s a shame, Jason, that you were not on the scene back in the mid-100’s to set this esteemed bishop straight. Think of how many good church-goers derailed their Christian faith for taking this exhortation to heart!
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    De Maria said,

    December 7, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Vincent said,
    December 7, 2014 at 10:17 am

    DeMaria is it not safe to say that for the RC church we add nothing to the work of Christ but only participate in it and apply it to ourselves?

    Basically. Although I have a bit of trouble with the wording. I would say:

    we add nothing to the work of Christ but only participate in it and He applies it to us.

    It is in the Sacraments that we participate in the Sacrifice of Christ and He pours His life into us in accordance with a proper disposition of faith.

    So it is not really an addition per se?

    That is correct. No. It is not an addition to the work of Christ in our perspective. It is an openness to His grace.

    Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    It is in the Sacraments that we confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and thus glorify the Father.

    12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    And believing, we obey Christ because only those who obey Him will be saved:

    Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    But, being open to His grace and having a disposition of faith, we know that God will accomplish His will through us when He pours His sanctifying grace, His very life, His righteousness, into our souls.

    Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    I hope that makes sense.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria
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    De Maria said,

    December 7, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    Lol! Awesome, RB!
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    De Maria said,

    December 7, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    RB, reference to #138.
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    Kevin Failoni said,

    December 7, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    DeMaria you can gloat over Roberty bob’s quote, but in true RC form he pulled it out of context from its content to support both of your pelagian skin, for which the black darkness hasbeen reserved forever. Here is the context of Iraneus ” No doubt, if anyone is unwilling to follow the gospel itself, it is in his power to reject it. As such ye HAVE BEEN washed, ye HAVE B EEN sanctified. All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.We should not use our liberty as a cloakfor malisciouness. ” He is encouraging believers, even though they have freedom in Christ, to wrestle for imortality that we may be crowned. Iow persevere to receive the crown of glory. He is not saying we are wrestling to be saved, or to earn ourvsalvation. You guys are Judaizerscin every sense. Jason is right, the worst Romanist.
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    De Maria said,

    December 7, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    Kevin Failoni said,
    December 7, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    DeMaria you can gloat over Roberty bob’s quote, but in true RC form he pulled it out of context from its content to support both of your pelagian skin, for which the black darkness hasbeen reserved forever. Here is the context of Iraneus ” No doubt, if anyone is unwilling to follow the gospel itself, it is in his power to reject it. As such ye HAVE BEEN washed, ye HAVE B EEN sanctified. All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.We should not use our liberty as a cloakfor malisciouness. ” He is encouraging believers, even though they have freedom in Christ, to wrestle for imortality that we may be crowned.

    Hm? That sounds as though you no longer believe in absolute assurance of salvation. That’s good.

    So, let me get this straight, you are saying that a believer safeguards his salvation, his immortality, by persevering in good works. Is that what you mean by, “He is encouraging believers, even though they have freedom in Christ, to wrestle for imortality that we may be crowned.“?

    Iow persevere to receive the crown of glory.

    That’s what it sounds like.

    He is not saying we are wrestling to be saved, or to earn ourvsalvation. You guys are Judaizerscin every sense. Jason is right, the worst Romanist.

    You’re losing your composure because you know your grasping at straws. Let’s look at St. Irenaeus’s quote in more detail:

    7. On this account, too, did the Lord assert that the kingdom of heaven was the portion of the violent; and He says, The violent take it by force; Matthew 11:12 that is, those who by strength and earnest striving are on the watch to snatch it away on the moment. On this account also Paul the Apostle says to the Corinthians, Do you not know, that they who run in a racecourse, do all indeed run, but one receives the prize? So run, that you may obtain. Every one also who engages in the contest is temperate in all things: now these men [do it] that they may obtain a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible. But I so run, not as uncertainty; I fight, not as one beating the air; but I make my body livid, and bring it into subjection, lest by any means, when preaching to others, I may myself be rendered a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27This able wrestler, therefore, exhorts us to the struggle for immortality, that we may be crowned, and may deem the crown precious, namely, that which is acquired by our struggle, but which does not encircle us of its own accord (sed non ultro coalitam). And the harder we strive, so much is it the more valuable; while so much the more valuable it is, so much the more should we esteem it. And indeed those things are not esteemed so highly which come spontaneously, as those which are reached by much anxious care. Since, then, this power has been conferred upon us, both the Lord has taught and the apostle has enjoined us the more to love God, that we may reach this [prize] for ourselves by striving after it…..
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    roberty bob said,

    December 7, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    Here is another quote from the esteemed Iranaeus from section 1 of the same chapter 37.

    “He [God] has placed the power of choice, so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves.”

    To my ears, this resonates with the Apostle Paul’s admonition, “Do not receive the grace of God in vain.” God gives grace, but you and I are responsible for how we receive it, for what we make of it.
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    Kevin Failoni said,

    December 8, 2014 at 2:56 am

    DeMaria, Roberty bob, in the end God gives you the special juju and you got to get there, and if you dont get there, you dont get there. We Calvinist have a God that actually saved us. Where we fail his righteouness always cover us. Romans 1: 16″ for im not ashamed of the gospel, it is the powere of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. For in it” the righteouness of God” has been revealed from faith to faith.” I’ll live a life of faith trusting in His righteouness to save me, and you guys trust in your grace aided works. Thanks for the conversation.
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    De Maria said,

    December 8, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    Kevin Failoni said,
    December 8, 2014 at 2:56 am

    DeMaria, Roberty bob, in the end God gives you the special juju and you got to get there, and if you dont get there, you dont get there. We Calvinist have a God that actually saved us…..

    Calvin’s god is not in Scripture. It is a figment of his imagination. Scripture is abundantly clear.

    2 Pet 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

    6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

    7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

    8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

    10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

    11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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    roberty bob said,

    December 8, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Just to make sure I’m on the right path here . . . Kevin . . .

    Is juju a good thing or a bad thing? Can it be distinguished from mojo?

    I find it astonishing that those who believe God’s promise, trust in Christ’s atoning sacrifice, love Jesus, and obey his commandments can be found in danger of eternal damnation for holding to a false gospel.

    Wonder of wonders!