De Maria has left a new comment on the post "DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GIVE US THE BIBLE?":Jessie-don't respond unless you have something reasonable to come up with.
My response will be more reasonable than yours.
Anonymous
December 31, 2014 at 11:57 AM
Hello De Maria,
As you can see, I DEMAND EVIDENCE; not your cheap tricks.
Evidence has been provided.
The Catholic Church came about HUNDREDS of years after the New Testament was completed (established by Constantine).
The Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ.
Stop arguing in a circle and take a challenge like a man!
ok.
Vatican admits connection with CAESAR:
"...superior papal authority and dominion is derived from the law of the Caesars." Lucius Ferraris,...
Papal authority is derived from Jesus Christ. It is He who said to Simon:
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
"...the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man." Pope Nicholas I, quoted in History of the Councils, vol. IX, Dist.: 96, Can 7, "Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para", by Labbe and Cossart.
Well, yeah, that's true. Its just that you don't like it because you don't believe the Word of God:
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
The Catholic Church and that includes the Pope and her Bishops, is the presence of God on earth.
The Catholic Church takes seriously the Word of God and believes it.
"Long ages ago, when Rome through the neglect of the Western emperors was left to the mercy of the barbarous hordes, the Romans turned to one figure for aid and protection, and asked him to rule them; and thus, . . . commenced the temporal sovereignty of the popes. And meekly stepping to the throne of Caesar, the vicar of Christ took up the scepter to which the emperors and kings of Europe were to bow in reverence through so many ages."--American Catholic Quarterly Review, April, 1911. ....
Pope Pius IX, in his "Discorsi" (I., p. 253), said: "The Caesar who now addresses you, and to whom alone are obedience and fidelity due."
All those are also true. Long ago, in a more spiritual age, the people turned to the Catholic Church for protection against earthly despots.
[Speaking of the time, about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was crumbling to pieces:] "No, the [Catholic] Church will not descend into the tomb. It will survive the Empire . . . At length a second empire will arise, and of this empire the Pope will be the master--more then this, he will be the master of Europe. He will dictate his orders to kings who will obey them"--Andrea Lagarde, The Latin Church in the Middle Ages, 1915 p. vi.
He is right that the Catholic Church is infallible. Jesus Christ declared it so (Matt 16:18-19).
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"The Bible was not intended to be a textbook of Christian religion." -Catholic Facts, p. 50
I disagree with that. In my opinion, it is the first Catholic Catechism.
Your religion hates the Bible and is not the one found in the New Testament
On the contrary, the Catholic Church wrote the New Testament and put the Bible together. And the Catholic Church is the Church which is described in Scripture:
First, Jesus Christ appointed a Pastor as head of the entire Church:
John 21:17
Second, Jesus Christ said that the Pastor over His Church would be infallible:
Matthew 16:17-19
Third, Scripture describes the Church as infallible:
Ephesians 3:10
4th, Scripture says that Jesus Christ established one Church.
Matt 16:18
Those four alone disqualify any Protestant Church. Add these other distinctives:
The Church which is united (Eph 4:5).
The doctrines of the Catholic Church which are distinctive from other churches:
Purgatory (1 Cor 3:15)
Eucharist (1 Cor 11:23-27).
Communion of Saints (Rom 12:12-20).
The Mass and the necessity to attend (Heb 10:25-31).
The Sacrament of Confession (Heb 13:17)
The Sacrament of Holy Orders (1 Tim 4:14)
The Sacrament of Baptism (Titus 3:5).
Justification and salvation by faith and works (Rom 2:1-13).
And it is undeniably the Catholic Church which is described in Scripture.
I think Jesse needs to stop proof texting sections of a historical document and read the whole thing in order to understand what is being said.
ReplyDeleteFunny how anti-Catholics ignore the fact that former anti-Catholics found the Truth while trying to attack Christ's One True Church but won't listen to any of their words either when they repeat exactly what you are telling Jesse.
God Bless and great job!
mark thimesch
Yeah. I think he's 17 years old. I'm hoping that his zeal will drive him straight into the Catholic Church. I gave him a lot to think about.
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