De Maria said...
Hi,
More Evidence for Sola Scriptura
Steve Ray errors in his description of Sola Scriptura (link) thereby providing more evidence that only scripture is infallible. Steve says:
The doctrine of Sola Scriptura states that we should believe only what we find clearly taught in the Bible; the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is found nowhere clearly taught in the Bible; so…???
Sola Scriptura does not say we should only believe what we find clearly taught in the Bible.
It doesn't?
We learn many things in many different ways, but Scripture is the only Word of God that we have today.
And yet Scripture says:
1 Thessalonians 2:13For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
To me, that says that the word of God can be transmitted in mere conversation. Show me where Scripture says, chapter and verse, that the word of God can no longer be transmitted by mere conversation.
The Bible is perfect,
The Bible is without error, is that what you mean? If so, I agree. However, if Scripture were perfect, Scripture would not say that there are some portions of Scripture which are hard to understand:
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Popes, Councils
But not in doctrine when taught in union with the Magisterial Church.
and Steve Ray make mistakes.
But he didn't make an error when he converted to the Catholic Church. He was right on the money there.
For good reasons to believe the bible see (here). For good reasons to believe Popes error see (here). Thus we can conclude that the bible is the last man standing.
We agree that the Bible is without error. But not the Bible alone. Scripture itself says that the Church is the Pillar of Truth:
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
And that the Church teaches the wisdom of God:
Ephesians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
I take that to mean that the Church is infallible.
I'm very interested in your comment that "Sola Scriptura does not say we should only believe what we find clearly taught in the Bible." I'd like to see that definition of SS. Because everytime I say to an adherent of SS, "that is description of Purgatory." They come back with, "Where does it say Purgatory in Scripture?"
Here's what I see in Scripture. Scripture says hold the Traditions (2 Thess 2:15). Scripture says hear the Church (Matt 18:17). Scripture says obey your rulers (Heb 13:17). I don't see Scripture ever saying, "hold Scripture alone" or "obey Scripture alone". Please point that out to me.
Sincerely,
De Maria
More Evidence for Sola Scriptura
Steve Ray errors in his description of Sola Scriptura (link) thereby providing more evidence that only scripture is infallible. Steve says:
The doctrine of Sola Scriptura states that we should believe only what we find clearly taught in the Bible; the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is found nowhere clearly taught in the Bible; so…???
Sola Scriptura does not say we should only believe what we find clearly taught in the Bible.
It doesn't?
We learn many things in many different ways, but Scripture is the only Word of God that we have today.
And yet Scripture says:
1 Thessalonians 2:13For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
To me, that says that the word of God can be transmitted in mere conversation. Show me where Scripture says, chapter and verse, that the word of God can no longer be transmitted by mere conversation.
The Bible is perfect,
The Bible is without error, is that what you mean? If so, I agree. However, if Scripture were perfect, Scripture would not say that there are some portions of Scripture which are hard to understand:
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Popes, Councils
But not in doctrine when taught in union with the Magisterial Church.
and Steve Ray make mistakes.
But he didn't make an error when he converted to the Catholic Church. He was right on the money there.
For good reasons to believe the bible see (here). For good reasons to believe Popes error see (here). Thus we can conclude that the bible is the last man standing.
We agree that the Bible is without error. But not the Bible alone. Scripture itself says that the Church is the Pillar of Truth:
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
And that the Church teaches the wisdom of God:
Ephesians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
I take that to mean that the Church is infallible.
I'm very interested in your comment that "Sola Scriptura does not say we should only believe what we find clearly taught in the Bible." I'd like to see that definition of SS. Because everytime I say to an adherent of SS, "that is description of Purgatory." They come back with, "Where does it say Purgatory in Scripture?"
Here's what I see in Scripture. Scripture says hold the Traditions (2 Thess 2:15). Scripture says hear the Church (Matt 18:17). Scripture says obey your rulers (Heb 13:17). I don't see Scripture ever saying, "hold Scripture alone" or "obey Scripture alone". Please point that out to me.
Sincerely,
De Maria