IF WE ARE NOT JUSTIFIED IN BAPTISM...THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN.

Re: If we are not justified in Baptism...Then Christ died in vain.

Appalled:
Its not just a few evangelicals who believe what I do. And if you engage evangelicals with the generalizations that you have expressed on this thread, you will only confirm to them that, as a Catholic, you have no idea what you are talking about, and they will have no reason to listen to anything you have to say. When you comment on evangelical theology but really have no idea what evangelicals believe, you only make yourself look ignorant.

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

1. I've engaged Evangelicals and Protestants of every variety for about two decades now.
2. Normally, my generalized comments are right on the money.
3. When they aren't, they simply correct me.
4. And then I disprove the errors in their specific and individual theology.

A perfect example is the discussion we've been having. Now that you've made your personal ideas clear, we have addressed them.

On the other hand, you began this discussion pretending that your views were the main line Evangelical view. Whether that is true or not, is besides the point. The fact remains that a significant number of Protestants and Evangelicals hold the position which you decry and which we initially began to confront.

I don't mean this to sound harsh or insulting to you.

That's ok. It is difficult to be 100% nonadversarial in an apologetical discussion where we each represent opposing views.

However, when you say, "It may not be completely universal. But enough Evangelicals believe it that we may safely generalize that they all do," you need to realize how wrong you are. This is not a case of a few evangelicals dissenting from the overwhelming majority view. This is more the case of an even split. I don't think you understand this, and until you do its not really possible to have a constructive debate with you.

I thought we were having a wonderful debate. I also addressed your current views. If you don't believe that I did, then please reveal that which you think I didn't address.

In either case, in the classic Evangelical position or in the one you claim now holds equal hold, there are elements which contradict Scripture and Catholic Teaching.

Sincerely,

De Maria