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Saturday, August 31, 2013

Holy Men of the Church speak infallibly when teaching the Traditions of Jesus Christ


Lutero said:
They did not speak anything that is in addition to what is written down in the Scriptures that we have today. There are no additional inspired writings in addition to the Bible. All SCRIPTURE is inspired. What these men spoke, was eventually all written down in Scripture. You make this out to be a lot more complicated than it really is.
Nope. It is as simple as it is written there. HOLY MEN OF GOD were inspired to speak. Not the Scriptures alone were inspired.  But men were inspired by God.

The Roman Catholic Catechism seems to be nothing more than a commentary of the Bible written by fallible men. Do you believe that the men who wrote the Catechism are infallible?
Nope. No one is infallible. But the Holy Men of the Church speak infallibly when teaching the Traditions of Jesus Christ in union with the Pope.

By word, because the Bible had not yet been completely written yet, but was eventually written down and is found in the epistles, or our epistle, what had been written down so far.
And people lost the ability to speak and evangelize?

You misinterpret James and contradict Paul.
I think it is you who do so.

The harmony of Ephesians 2:8,9 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner righteous (Romans 5:1). James, however is using the term to describe those who would prove the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do (James 2:14-18).

Again, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "is made righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith, not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2,3). Justifed by works does not mean saved by works or else Paul would have clearly stated, For by grace you have been saved through faith and works.. in Ephesians 2:8. He also would have said, Therefore being justified by faith and works in Romans 5:1, but that is NOT what Paul said.
But you leave out what they both said in Rom 2:13:
Romans 2:13

King James Version (KJV)

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And in James 1:
James 1:21-23

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21Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:


By the way, Hebrews 10:25-31 does not teach that missing the Mass is a mortal sin. What confusion.
It certainly does. It is very easy to understand. What do you think of someone's faith and love for Christ, who thinks it more important to watch the Bears and the Packers than to commemorate the Sacrifice of Our Lord?

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. You rejected the spiritual application here in favor of Roman Catholic tradition.
On the contrary, you reject the spiritual application in favor of Protestant tradition.

Just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers. “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst” (John 6:35).
Agreed. And He left us a sign which conveys that precise message. The Eucharist.

As He was accustomed, Jesus used figurative language to emphasize these great spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63). The literal interpretation is absurd and revolting, leading to cannibalism and the drinking of blood contrary to the commandment of God.
Eating Flesh which appears to be bread is not revolting. And it is not cannibalism. It is however, hard for people to believe who do not believe that Christ is God:
60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?


The scriptures forbid drinking of blood (Leviticus 17:14; Deuteronomy 12:16,23; Acts 21:25). No literal eating of any flesh can give spiritual life. By faith we partake of Christ, and the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and the merits of His shed blood, receiving and enjoying eternal life. Eating and drinking is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (v47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (v58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him for salvation.
On the contrary, everything you said confirms the Catholic doctrine. Faith is not faith if it makes excuses to disbelieve. Those who thought of Christ as a mere teacher, left Him. That is why He said, "what if you see me ascend to where I was"? But Jesus is God and His Word is all powerful. Therefore, when He says, whoever sees and believes, He means whoever sees and believes the words He is speaking, "Whoever eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood has eternal life."

Seeing and believing doesn't mean making excuses why you don't believe.

You just explained why you do not understand the truth.
God knows who understands and who doesn't.

Believing in Christ for salvation means that we are trusting in Him alone for salvation. Those who claim to believe in Christ for salvation yet trust in supplements (works, Mass, Eucharist etc..) to help save them do not believe His words or believe in Him for salvation. Jesus needs no supplements.
It isn't a matter of Jesus needing anything. These are Jesus' words and we believe Him.

Mark 16:16

King James Version (KJV)

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Mark 14:22

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22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

Matthew 19:17

King James Version (KJV)

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I would prefer to discuss two or three things at a time.


So would I.

I have other discussions to attend to and I also have a full time job.
As do I.

I don't have all day to answer your avalanche of information.
It is you who brings up all the Catholic doctrines which you deny. I started a thread on Scripture alone.

You probably think that you are either dazzling me or bafflling me with your words, but I have been is many discussions with Roman Catholics before and many of your arguments are nothing new or enlightening. You seem to be thorughly indoctrinated into Roman Catholicism and will probably be unreachable, but at a least a seed has been planted that hopefully will one day be watered and lead you to the truth. Only the Lord can open your eyes to the truth.
It is you who are using many and novel interpretations of words in an effort to change the meaning of the Scripture.

As for me, I am satisfied to stick to the topic of Scripture alone. We can begin another topic when you are ready.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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