Hi Curious Presbyterian (CP), you said:
“Then we should only read the parts of Bible about what Jesus actually said,
Why? Don’t you believe the Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures?
since He is alive.
??? I’m trying to follow the logic. Are you implying you thought He was dead?
What does Jesus being alive have to do with throwing out the parts of the Bible where Ezekiel, the Apostles, St. Paul or someone else spoke?
Forget about Isaiah, Ezekiel, the apostles, Paul and everyone else because they’re all dead.”
Have you not read in Scripture:
Matthew 22:32
King James Version (KJV)
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 22:32
King James Version (KJV)
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
No, that doesn’t follow at all. My point is that we can know about Paul, etc., and we can read what they teach. But we can’t know them personally.
Scripture tells me that St. Paul, etc, were faithful believers in Christ. That is all I need to know to ask someone to pray for me.
Please don’t go off on illogical tangents that have nothing to do with what I’ve actually said.
To what part of my response do you object. Isn’t it true that Jesus loves Mary? Is Jesus our example? Are we Jesus’ beloved disciples? Do you keep the Commandments and the testimony of Christ?
“The only “myths and legends” about Mary are those made-up by people who don’t know her. She always leads us to her Son.”
Give me an example where Mary did not lead people to Christ. Here’s my example to you:
John 2:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
John 2:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Sorry, this is nonsense. Read up on the many medieval myths and legends that grew up around Mary (and other biblical characters).
I stick to the truth. Here’s what I see.
Scripture says that God’s will should be done on earth as it is in heaven.
And God wills that the Angels praise Mary:
Scripture says that God’s will should be done on earth as it is in heaven.
And God wills that the Angels praise Mary:
Luke 1:26-28
King James Version (KJV)
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Let’s break this down:
ANGEL GABRIEL
1. an angel is a messenger of God. That is what the word, angel, means.
2. this angel, Gabriel, is one of the four angels that stands before the throne of God.
WAS SENT FROM GOD
1. God sent this angel to Mary.
2. Since this angel is a messenger of God’s, God sent Him to deliver a message.
3. Therefore, the angel was not speaking on his own, but was communicating God’s message to Mary.
4. If we skip down to verse 28, we see that this was a message of praise (i.e. blessed art thou).
5. Therefore God praised Mary through His Angel.
That is great praise indeed. Do you know of any man whose praise is worth more than God’s?
King James Version (KJV)
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Let’s break this down:
ANGEL GABRIEL
1. an angel is a messenger of God. That is what the word, angel, means.
2. this angel, Gabriel, is one of the four angels that stands before the throne of God.
WAS SENT FROM GOD
1. God sent this angel to Mary.
2. Since this angel is a messenger of God’s, God sent Him to deliver a message.
3. Therefore, the angel was not speaking on his own, but was communicating God’s message to Mary.
4. If we skip down to verse 28, we see that this was a message of praise (i.e. blessed art thou).
5. Therefore God praised Mary through His Angel.
That is great praise indeed. Do you know of any man whose praise is worth more than God’s?
I said:
“Therefore when Jesus Christ became man, He was in the unique position of knowing who would be His mother”
You responded:
Not at all, according to orthodox doctrines of kenosis and the hypostatic union of Christ’s two natures.
Really? Are those in Scripture? Please show me.
There were plenty of things that Jesus didn’t know, as the Bible attests (e.g. Mark 13:32).
Mark 13:32
King James Version (KJV)
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
King James Version (KJV)
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
That only says one thing that Jesus didn’t know. Where does it say that Jesus did not choose His mother?
The rest of your points affirm a respect for Mary, which I certainly concur with, same as I respect other biblical figures who played particular, special roles.
That’s good, I suppose. But Jesus loves Mary, because she is His mother. Therefore, I love Mary in imitation of my Lord. Do you?
Sincerely,
De Maria
E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T!!! De Maria!
ReplyDeleteI find it entertaining that protest-ants always seem to focus on what "Jesus said" but they forget that He did not only speak in the New Testament, He also spoke in the old. For Saints Jude and Paul tells us clearly:
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Jude 1:5
I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
1 Cor 10:[1] For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea. [2] And all in Moses were baptized, in the cloud, and in the sea: [3] And did all eat the same spiritual food, [4] And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.) [5] But with most of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the desert.
So if Jesus Christ was with Moses and the people of Israel before, that means that He was also the one who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses, established the priesthood, designed the Ark of The Covenant, and many other things. So if Christ is Eternal and keeps his promises, how, when and where did Jesus Christ eliminate all these things that protest-ants claim the Catholic Church invented?
God Bless you De Maria!
Fantastic defense again!
mark thimesch
Thanks Mark. The hardest thing for me to understand, is why Protestants want to shove Mary under the carpet, so to speak.
DeleteHere's something to chew on De Maria...
ReplyDeleteIf you did a research on "divorce rates" in America, you would find that protest-ants are higher than Catholic divorce rates between 8 to 14% depending on which part of the nation you live in, but as a whole, protest-ant divorce rates are higher.
This country mastered the procedure of Divorce and turned it into a "art form". The reason many protest-ants groups want to throw Our Blessed Virgin Mother under the rug, is they don't believe in the "family structure" of Scripture and God's Law. They believe in the family structure that was created in this country, the one that says: "if you don't like your spouse for any reason - get rid of em' ". Many hate the idea of knowing Mary is higher than they are.
I believe it was St. Paul who wrote in one of his epistles: "He has confounded the wise with the simplest of things..". Sorry, not certain the passage but it fits if you ask me. Thinking that such a simple Woman and Her free will to act resulted in our Salvation - go figure.
God Bless
You're right. And the divorce stats are so sad. Parents simply don't realize what their children go through when they get divorced.
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