Wednesday, March 4, 2015

The meritorious cause is His most beloved only begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ

ERIC February 11, 2015 at 5:49 pm
James–We receive the final verdict of righteousness by faith accompanied by love but by faith apart from the works of love (in terms of our own efforts).
It is, thus, compatible with the “meritorious cause” of justification according to Trent, but not the “formal cause” of justification according to Trent:“…the alone formal cause is the justice of God, not that whereby He Himself is just, but that whereby He maketh us just, that, to wit, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind, and we are not only reputed, but are truly called, and are, just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to every one as He wills, and according to each one’s proper disposition and cooperation.”
It’s that last line that we must object to…and which isn’t even compatible with the “meritorious cause.”

I fail to see why it isn’t compatible.
the meritorious cause is His most beloved only begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies,[33] for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us,[34] merited for us justification by His most holy passion on the wood of the cross and made satisfaction for us to God the Father,
Essentially, what this is saying is that it is because Jesus Christ offered Himself on the Cross (meritorious cause) that the grace of God (God’s justice, the formal cause) is poured out to us in the Sacraments.

Tuesday, March 3, 2015

We don't accept every wind of doctrine

Michael Taylor said:
….That could describe a lot of us, ….
Lol! Yeah, its pretty obvious that Protestants came here thinking they could use their unsupported and unbiblical arguments to roll over Catholics.
I guess that’s what you guys are used to doing amongst each other. But Catholics believe in Christ. We don’t accept every wind of doctrine that any Martin, John and Huldrych dreams up.

You can't give what you don't have

De Maria September 7, 2014 at 11:16 PM
Tom January 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM
I am a practicing Roman Catholic and chatechist and want to serve the Lord and worship only Him.
Good job, Tom. However, I believe you should stop being a catechist until you resolve this issue. You should not teach or pass on your doubts about the truth of Catholic Doctrine to those seeking the knowledge of the Truth. This is for the good of your own soul. The Scripture says:
Mark 9:41 And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
If we were meant to speak/pray to other believers who have died in the flesh and are now we assume to be with the Lord, wouldn’t one of the Gospel writers, or Paul, or any of the other writers of the epistles (especially Revelation) have mentioned that such a practice occurring or admonished us to do so. Our Church has taken liberties in this regard where the truth is not certain as to whether God approves of this practice and Who may be jelous that our prayers are only directed to Him.
Several things here.
1. Remember that Scripture tells us that the Church teaches the wisdom of God:
10 That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church,
Therefore, you are not the interpreter of the Word of God. The Church is the one whom Christ appointed to teach you His Doctrines:
Matthew 28:
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
2. What you haven’t noticed is that we have a New Dispensation in Jesus Christ.
a. First, Jesus Christ is our model.
b. In the Transfiguration, we see Jesus Christ speaking to Moses and Elijah:
Matthew 17:
2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow.3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
3. And St. Paul reveals that we, who are baptized, now walk with the spirits of men made perfect. These are the Saints. They are walking side by side with us and they can hear us:
Hebrews 12 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
1 And therefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head, laying aside every weight and sin which surrounds us, let us run by patience to the fight proposed to us:….
18 For you are not come to a mountain that might be touched, and a burning fire, and a whirlwind, and darkness, and storm, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words, which they that heard excused themselves, that the word might not be spoken to them:20 For they did not endure that which was said: And if so much as a beast shall touch the mount, it shall be stoned. 21 And so terrible was that which was seen, Moses said: I am frighted, and tremble.
22 But you are come to mount Sion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, 23 And to the church of the firstborn, who are written in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new testament, and to the sprinkling of blood which speaketh better than that of Abel.
Therefore, Tom, we are walking with the Saints and Angels upon Mt. Sion. And we can talk to them the way Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah upon Mount Tabor.
Many catholics, including my wife, pray to St. Anthony when they lose something of value. Strangely enough, often times they find the item in a very unusual and mysterious way that defies logic. While I am not dogmatic that this is wrong, we must be wary that this could be an example of 2 Cor 11:14, where “Satan transforms himself into an angel of light.” He does this for the purpose of steering people away from our true Lord and His gospel and he may be allowed by God to interact with us in this way when we attempt to speak to spirits (including believers and saints who have died in the flesh). We would most likely consider it as sinful if we prayed a similar prayer St. Anthony sincerely using a ouija board and invited his feedback instead of instead of attemptig to speak to him at church while also praying to God in the next sentence. Nevertheless, I digress.
Its not the same thing. When we pray to the Saints, we pray to members of the body of Christ.
When you use a ouija board, you are practicing witchcraft.
This issue seems to come down to one’s comfort in only trusting the Word of God, the Bible, as the ultimte authority on this topic, or if one is open to Church tradition as also having authority in this manner.
If the Bible were your authority, you would obey Church Tradition. Because the Bible tells you to obey your Rulers in the Church:
Hebrews 13:
7 Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation,
Notice that it is Priests from whom you learn the Word of God. Not from the Bible alone.
While I have on rare occasion, said the Hail Mary, etc. usually in a group setting, I am not comfortable doing so. For some Catholics such as myself and most protestant brothers, bowing our head and speaking to someone other than our God creates guilty and seems like a blasphemous act for which I must request His mercy.
First of all, don’t do anything that violates your conscience.
Second of all, if Mother Mary is good enough for Jesus Christ, she is good enough for me. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ had to ask her for food, clothes and for her loving arms? Do you not realize that He gave her to us from the Cross to be our mother? Do you not realize that all who keep His Commandments and profess His Gospel are children of Mary?
Revelation 12:
17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Therefore, I choose to offer my prayers to God alone, bolding approaching His throne of grace, as we are admonished to do throughout His Word.
Then it sounds as though you are no longer a Catholic. May God forgive you because you have committed the sin of Esau:
Hebrews 12:16-17Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
16…. as Esau; who for one mess, sold his first birthright.
17 For know ye that afterwards, when he desired to inherit the benediction, he was rejected; for he found no place of repentance, although with tears he had sought it.

Monday, March 2, 2015

Catholics believe in absolute Truth

ERIC February 11, 2015 at 7:20 am….Had he (a Catholic) even once during our dialogue backed down or reconsidered a point…or said he would have to look into something? No, he never budged a smidgen. And yet I was obviously the one being stubborn.
You’re used to backing down and reconsidering points because neither you nor your brethren possess the absolute truth. You believe it is polite to accept lies as truth.
We don’t. We believe that which Jesus Christ still Teaches, through His Church.

Protestants' carefully crafted fables

VG:How's life on Fantacy Island working out for you?
It is you who live in your carefully crafted fables. We live in the House of God, the Church, established by Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 3:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.


De Maria

Sunday, March 1, 2015

Yes there is public continuity. That is the promise of Jesus to His church.

ROBERT February 11, 2015 at 4:16 amEric,I think I’d have to say yes and no to this. Yes there should be public continuity given the promise of Jesus to His church.
The issue becomes how one defines that continuity.
Wrong answer. The issue should be how God defines that continuity.
There’s just no evidence in Scripture that the continuity is identified by the RC and EO view of Apostolic succession.
There is plenty of evidence. You just reject it. Here’s just one example:
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Do you think that the Church could exist to the end of the age, without continuity?
It certainly isn’t the primary way we define continuity.
Lol! Sounds as though you’ve got a secret, non-biblical source which you rely upon to define what Scripture means. What is this primary way by which you define continuity? And show it to me in Scripture.
Continuity is defined by the Apostolic tradition, which is either fixed (NT) or its whatever you want it to be.
Huh? If you say so. Now, show it to me in Scripture.
Rome goes off the rails (and the EO as well, though to a lesser extent) by not having a fixed Apostolic tradition that is equivalent to what the Apostles mean when they use the term tradition
You’ve got that totally flipped. If you look at Protestant history, you see a history of continual upheaval and reforming. Protestants continually going off the rails.
It is, in fact, Apostolic Tradition which is the anchor which keeps Catholic Doctrine on the rails of Christ’s Deposit of Faith.
We have no reason to accept the authority of Scripture without that continuity;
That is precisely what St. Augustine said:
“If you should find someone who does not yet believe in the gospel, what would you [Mani] answer him when he says, ‘I do not believe’? Indeed, I would not believe in the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so” (Against the Letter of Mani Called ‘The Foundation’ 5:6).
This is a confusing statement at best. Basically, this forces one to say that no OT could know what Scripture was and that Jesus was essentially clueless when he expected them to.
Non sequitur
First, history shows that the OT Jews did not know what Canonical Scripture was. If you look at history, you will find that before the advent of Jesus Christ, the OT Jews had many more books than those which the Catholic Church put in her OT canon.
Second, history shows that after the ascension of Jesus Christ, in the age of the Catholic Church, the Jews rejected the Septuagint version of the Scriptures which Jesus Christ used.
The Septuagint is a Greek language version of the Scriptures which was originally written by Jewish Scholars for Greek speaking Jews.
Since some of them accepted this version but some rejected them, this is proof that they were confused as to the canon of Scripture.
Third, history shows that the Jews did not attempt to put together one volume of Scripture, as did the Catholic Church. There were many books out there which the Jews used as Scripture, which were not accepted by the Catholic Church. The proof of this is that some of these books were probably accepted by the Apostles themselves (Book of Enoch, Jude 1:14). Yet the Church did not admit them into Scripture because Christ did not make a reference to them and did not use them.
It also calls into question the idea that what the Apostles wrote was immediately authoritative by virtue of their position, whether or not their audience believed what they wrote. It basically makes the authority of Scripture dependent on the authority of the church, but it’s a circular argument because the only way that Rome can even begin to prove that it has authority is to go to the Scriptures and look for evidence that Christ founded the church in the way that they said.
That is the Protestant M.O.
The Catholic Church has access to the writings of the Fathers and other historical documents which prove her existence from Apostolic times.
Rome’s argument for authority is ultimately a vicious circle. Scripture is authoritative because the church says so and the church is authoritative because Scripture says so.
Lol! That’s not circular. That’s a helix. Here’s an example of circular reasoning, “the bible tells me so”.
indeed, the liturgical practice provided the context for the preservation of Scripture (i.e., what was read in the liturgy).
We pray as we believe and we believe as we pray. Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi: As We Worship, So we will Live
This is only half true. Liturgical practice did provide the context, but it wasn’t the only thing that provided the context.
That is Catholic Teaching.
The early church’s treasuring of the NT as the uniquely authoritative Word of God is another.
Uniquely? No. The entity which established the Liturgy and the Traditions which are the basis of the Liturgy as well as the New Testament Scripture were also authoritative for the Early Church.
The OT principle that the covenant community is to be governed by the authoritative covenant document is another.
Notice that the OT principle was not Scripture alone. God appointed Prophets and Kings and governments. And God only wrote one part of the OT, the Ten Commandments. The rest of the OT Scriptures were written by men based upon the Traditions which Moses had passed down to the community.
The principle that written revelation accompanies even revelation is another.
Accompanies. Not alone.
That’s what leads to this need to identify *the* Church that Jesus founded. If you can’t get there, then the whole idea of Christian belief through the centuries rapidly degenerates into absurdity.
Which is precisely what happened to the Protestant groups.
This presupposes that the church Christ founded must look a certain way and that in every generation its emphases must be the same.
Correct. It is a presupposition based upon the Teaching of Christ:
Matt 7 The Wise and Foolish Builders
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
It also essentially assumes that everyone in the first century had to be a Tridentine RC. For a community that tries its level best (nowadays) to stress development of doctrine, there’s no idea that perhaps doctrine can either develop in a wrong direction or that maybe, just maybe, the church Christ intended isn’t the church of visible hierarchical unity but doctrinal chaos.
That’s because we have faith in Jesus Christ to uphold His Church. And we believe Scripture:
Ephesians 3:10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,

Saturday, February 28, 2015

Trent affirmed that the Catholic Church has had a canon of Scripture since 400 ad

MICHAEL TAYLOR February 10, 2015 at 4:50 pmFalse dichotomy. He gave us both. You might as well say God didn’t give us bread, but only bakers.
Apparently you hold to the view that there is no canon until someone tells you there is a canon. Does that mean there was no canon until Trent?
More proof that you don’t know what you are talking about.
Trent affirmed that the Catholic Church has had a canon of Scripture since 400 ad. That is when the Vulgate was put together:
Council of Trent Session IV
….It has thought it proper, moreover, to insert in this decree a list of the sacred books, lest a doubt might arise in the mind of someone as to which are the books received by this council.[4]
They are the following:
Of the Old Testament, the five books of Moses, namely, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; Josue, Judges, Ruth, the four books of Kings, two of Paralipomenon, the first and second of Esdras, the latter of which is called Nehemias, Tobias, Judith, Esther, Job, the Davidic Psalter of 150 Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Canticle of Canticles, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Isaias, Jeremias, with Baruch, Ezechiel, Daniel, the twelve minor Prophets, namely, Osee, Joel, Amos, Abdias, Jonas, Micheas, Nahum, Habacuc, Sophonias, Aggeus, Zacharias, Malachias; two books of Machabees, the first and second.
Of the New Testament, the four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; the Acts of the Apostles written by Luke the Evangelist; fourteen Epistles of Paul the Apostle, to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, to the Galatians, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, two to Timothy, to Titus, to Philemon, to the Hebrews; two of Peter the Apostle, three of John the Apostle, one of James the Apostle, one of Jude the Apostle, and the Apocalypse of John the Apostle.
If anyone does not accept as sacred and canonical the aforesaid books in their entirety and with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate Edition, and knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions, let him be anathema.
I ask because that is the first time your church issued an allegedly infallible definition of the canon.
And she infallibly declared the Old Latin Vulgate, which was in use from the 4th century, to be sacred and canonical.
Of course. But the supposition that the RCC is the church Christ founded is just that–a supposition.
On the contrary, it is absolutely true. The only way you can deny it is by rejecting the truth.
Luther didn’t want a new church. None of the Reformers did. But Rome forced the issue in defining a false Gospel as the Gospel.
It is Luther who invented a new gospel.
You exaggerate your own unity. You don’t split into denominations, you polarize from within….
On the contrary, Catholics may have certain theological disagreements, but most of us will submit to the authority of the Pope when he settles the argument.
The fact that some who have been Catholic would rather be cast out of the Church then submit, only proves that the disciplinary procedure which Jesus Christ put in place is still working:
Matthew 18:17New International Version (NIV)
17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
But you only think you know what to believe because you believe Rome gets to tell you what to believe and you believe this because Rome tells you so.
So does Scripture.
Ephesians 3:10New International Version (NIV)
10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
And if Rome tells you Mary was conceived without sin you gulp that down hook, like and sinker as if this were the “default” belief of the church catholic.
It is. You see, the beliefs of the Catholic Church existed before the New Testament. It is based upon the beliefs which Jesus Christ passed down that the New Testament was written.

Daily Readings March 1, 2015 Daily Readings March 1, 2015

Lectionary: 26

Reading 1 GN 22:1-2, 9A, 10-13, 15-18

Abraham is the epitome of faithfulness in the Bible.  We first meet him in Genesis 12, where he is known as Abram.  God invites him to leave his father in the land of Ur and go where God leads.  Abram obeys.  In Genesis 15, Abram is now 100 years old.  He has obeyed God for approximately 30 years.  And God has not yet fulfilled His promise.  God reiterates the promise and Abram believes Him.  Therefore, God renames him and calls him, Abraham, the father of nations.  This episode, in Gen 15, in my opinion, is why Catholics are called the children of Abraham.  When we submit to the Sacraments, we believe God and He counts it to us as righteousness.  Just as He did to Abraham.  Except, He gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit.
If you notice, though, we're in Genesis 22.  And Abraham will undergo yet another test of faith. 
God put Abraham to the test.
He called to him, “Abraham!”
“Here I am!” he replied.
Then God said:
“Take your son Isaac, your only one, whom you love,
and go to the land of Moriah.
There you shall offer him up as a holocaust
on a height that I will point out to you.”
A holocaust is a sacrifice.  God is literally instructing Abraham to kill his only son.  

When they came to the place of which God had told him,
Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it.
Then he reached out and took the knife to slaughter his son.
There is a lot of imagery skipped before we arrive at this point.  Take a little time and read the entire thing.
Notice the following.  A father is sacrificing his son.  The son is carrying the wood of his sacrifice.  The father says that God will provide the sacrifice. 
Then we get to the point where Abraham is literally going to kill his son.  And we need to read something else to understand what is going through this man's mind:
Hebrews 11:17  By faith Abraham, when put to the test, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was ready to offer his only son, 18 of whom it was said, “Through Isaac descendants shall bear your name.”19* He reasoned that God was able to raise even from the dead, and he received Isaac back as a symbol.
Do you see the connection between Isaac, the son of Abraham and Jesus, the Son of God? 
But the LORD’s messenger called to him from heaven,
“Abraham, Abraham!”
“Here I am!” he answered.
“Do not lay your hand on the boy,” said the messenger.
“Do not do the least thing to him.
I know now how devoted you are to God,
since you did not withhold from me your own beloved son.”
As Abraham looked about,
he spied a ram caught by its horns in the thicket.
So he went and took the ram
and offered it up as a holocaust in place of his son.
So, God spared Isaac and provided a lamb (i.e. ram) to be offered in his place.  Jesus, however, would not be spared.  That is why Jesus is called, the Lamb of God.
This mount Moriah, where Isaac was going to be sacrificed was renamed during the course of history.  It is Golgotha, the same hill where Christ was crucified. 

Again the LORD’s messenger called to Abraham from heaven and said:
“I swear by myself, declares the LORD,
that because you acted as you did
in not withholding from me your beloved son,
I will bless you abundantly
and make your descendants as countless
as the stars of the sky and the sands of the seashore;
your descendants shall take possession
of the gates of their enemies,
and in your descendants all the nations of the earth
shall find blessing—
all this because you obeyed my command.”
WE are Abraham's descendants.  Because everytime we go to the Sacraments, we express our faith in God's promises.  Just like Abraham.

Responsorial Psalm PS 116:10, 15, 16-17, 18-19

R. (116:9) I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

I believed, even when I said,
“I am greatly afflicted.”
Precious in the eyes of the LORD
is the death of his faithful ones.
Although we're talking about Abraham today, I always look to Job when faith in the midst of great affliction is mentioned.

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

O LORD, I am your servant;
I am your servant, the son of your handmaid;
you have loosed my bonds.
To you will I offer sacrifice of thanksgiving,
and I will call upon the name of the LORD.
That, is the Eucharist, in a nutshell.  Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself and we continue to offer His Sacrifice in His name.

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

My vows to the LORD I will pay
in the presence of all his people,
In the courts of the house of the LORD,
in your midst, O Jerusalem.
We owe God our love.  Therefore, repay Him by loving His people.

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

Reading 2 ROM 8:31B-34

Brothers and sisters:
If God is for us, who can be against us?
He who did not spare his own Son
but handed him over for us all,
how will he not also give us everything else along with him?
This is love.  From all eternity, God knew that His Son would be sacrificed for our sins.

Who will bring a charge against God’s chosen ones?
It is God who acquits us, who will condemn?
Christ Jesus it is who died—or, rather, was raised—
who also is at the right hand of God,
who indeed intercedes for us.
It is Jesus, who now sits at the right hand of the Father, interceding for us.

Verse Before The Gospel CF. MT 17:5

From the shining cloud the Father's voice is heard:
This is my beloved Son, listen to him.
St. Peter was there and heard it. 
2 Peter 1:17  For he received honor and glory from God the Father* when that unique declaration came to him from the majestic glory, “This is my Son, my beloved, with whom I am well pleased.”18 We* ourselves heard this voice come from heaven while we were with him on the holy mountain.

Gospel MK 9:2-10

Jesus took Peter, James, and John
and led them up a high mountain apart by themselves.
The three pillars of the Apostolic Church.  Sts. Peter, James and John.  Jesus took them up the mountain.
And he was transfigured before them,
and his clothes became dazzling white,
such as no fuller on earth could bleach them.
There, He showed them His glory.
Then Elijah appeared to them along with Moses,
and they were conversing with Jesus.
And demonstrated the New Dispensation of the communion of Saints.  It is on this Mountain that we walk with the Saints.
Then Peter said to Jesus in reply,
“Rabbi, it is good that we are here!
Let us make three tents:
one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
He hardly knew what to say, they were so terrified.
Then a cloud came, casting a shadow over them;
from the cloud came a voice,
“This is my beloved Son. Listen to him.”
Suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone
but Jesus alone with them.
This Cloud is a mystical representation of the Holy Spirit.  It is the same Cloud which overshadowed the Virgin Mary and which overshadowed the Ark of the Covenant.

As they were coming down from the mountain,
he charged them not to relate what they had seen to anyone,
except when the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
So they kept the matter to themselves,
questioning what rising from the dead meant.
And Jesus commanded them to keep this secret until after all had been accomplished and He had resurrected from the dead.