Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Islam is a religion of the book, same as Protestantism

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist

Lutero:

I am a witness for Jesus and don't promote some religion .
Islam is too Catholic to promote.
Islam is a religion of the book, same as yours. Catholicism is the True Faith of Jesus Christ. You represent the errors of man.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Friday, July 18, 2014

7QTs on Sola Scriptura and 2 Tim 3:16




2 Tim 3:16 and Sola Scriptura

Does 2 Tim 3:16 really support Sola Scriptura?

Protestants tell us that 2 Tim 3:16 is the proof text for Sola Scriptura.  Let's review the context of 2nd Timothy  to see whether this is true.

St. Paul exhorts St. Timothy to give oral testimony
Chapter 1 verse 7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;


St. Paul commands Timothy to teach others to teach.
Chapter 2 verse 2

And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
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Let's skip over chapter 3 for now:

Another exhortation to preach.
Chapter 4: 2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

The whole book is about preaching and teaching!
Do you really want me to believe, that throughout the epistle of 2 Timothy, St. Paul is telling Tim to preach and teach, but in Chapter 3 verse 15-16 he changes and tells him to pass out Bibles? That seems far fetched to me.  But lets study the verse in its immediate context. What is the immediate context of the 2 Tim 3:16?  Let's look at some of the verses leading up to it.

It remains, oral teaching. Listen.  We'll begin in verse 10:

Chapter 3 verse 10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

I have taught you and you have learned.

Skip to verse 14
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

So practice what you have learned considering from whom you have learned them.

verse 15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Now, think about this carefully. Does a child have to know how to read in order to know the Scriptures? In my house, my children and I meditated on the Scriptures since before they knew how to read. So I know that the answer is, "No."

Now, let's break down the verse itself


Chapter 3 verse 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
Is that true? Yes. Remember what St. Peter said:

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

So, all Scripture is inspired. But that doesn't say that Scripture alone is inspired. It says that men were inspired to PREACH. Yes, to PREACH. These men then turned around and wrote down the Scripture.
To say that Scripture is inspired by God is a short hand manner of speaking which means that men who were inspired by God to preach His Word, wrote the Scripture.

and is profitable for doctrine, 

Profitable for doctrine.  But profitable does not mean necessary.

for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Is it fair to ask who is doing all this reproving, correcting, and instructing in righteousness?  Is it not a teacher?  If so, does this verse not assume the existence of a Magisterium and thus support the Catholic Doctrine of handing down Tradition by an appointed Teacher, (Magisterium means Teacher).

Bottom line

The entire book of 2nd Timothy is about preaching, teaching and handing on Tradition.  2 Tim 3:16 does not support Sola Scriptura.  It supports the Catholic model of handing on the Word of God by Tradition and  Scripture in accordance with consistent Teaching of the Church.

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Thursday, July 17, 2014

the difference between the way that Catholics and Protestants understand Scripture

In my opinion, 

the difference between the way that Catholics understand Scripture and Protestants interpret Scripture runs much deeper than the idea of a difference in the "interpretation of words". 

Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but when a Protestant looks at Scripture, he seeks to discover in the Scripture something which he has not heretofore understood. This is why so many of them object that one must not approach Scripture with what they call, "presuppositions."

It is not the same for a Catholic. We do not delve into Scripture to discover something which we do not know. That is why so many Catholics by pass Scripture altogether and go directly to Church Doctrine. We know that the Church has already read the Scripture and has neatly explained to us all the things which Scripture says are "hard to be understood" (2 Pet 3:16).

When a Catholic reads Scripture, 
first of all, he prays. We don't simply read Scripture. We pray Scripture.
second of all, he confirms the knowledge of the Word of God which he has already learned from the Church.

So, to go back to your message, about metanioa. When I read it in Scripture, whether it be in the Douay or in the King James, I know that it means what the Catholic Church teaches. 

Acts 26:20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 26:20

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

20 But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of penance.

To do penance is to do works worthy of repentance. Someone who is truly penitent, someone who is truly repentant, will want to make amends for that which he regrets doing. That is the Catholic Teaching concerning metanoia or turning to God with deep sorrow for our sins. And that is the underlying understanding that I bring to my reading of Scripture.

I've been talking with Protestants for about twenty years now. And I have come to believe, that a devout Catholic who never opens the Bible understands the Word of God better than even the best Protestant preacher who has gone to the best Protestant seminaries.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Wednesday, July 16, 2014

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Name the Protestants present at those councils.


Cathy:

What council did the Protestent sects hold to declare the books of their Bible?
Or did they simply rely on the Tradition of the Jews and the Tradition of the Catholics?

Lutero: 
The EXACT same council Polycarp and Irerenaeus used to determine what was scripture.
Name the Protestants present at those councils.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Tuesday, July 15, 2014

Faith says we can trust in Gods forgiveness.


Lutero:

This is not true. Faith is opposed often to reason.

No. It isn't. The presupposition here is that we are talking about faith in God. 

First of all, faith is superior to "human" reason because it is relies upon the Wisdom of God.
Second, to say that "by faith we believe things we do not understand" does not mean that faith is opposed to reason. It means that unaided human reason can not 
attain the heights of Wisdom wherein God resides.
Third, if faith in God were ever opposed to reason, then faith would be a mistake. And faith is not a mistake but a virtue and a grace of God.


Reason tells us we are punished for our sins.
Reason is correct. We are punished for our sins, aren't we?
Leviticus 26:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.


Faith says we can trust in Gods forgiveness.

So does reason. The reason I have faith in God is because I trust in God's goodness. That's reason and faith, hand in hand.


Reason says there is no value to human life.
That's madness inspired by Satan. We all hold our own lives valuable at the very least. And I know I'm human.


Faith says there is.
So does reason.


Reason says we must never give up all we have as Jesus asked.
That's not reason. That's greed.


Faith says otherwise.
Once you come to faith in God, you must discard the old man and his old reasons and adopt the Reason or Wisdom of the New Man, Jesus Christ in whom we are new born. And reason comes perfectly in line with faith. If we want to be united with Christ in the end, we must not hold on to material goods as though they were our salvation:
Philippians 3:8

King James Version (KJV)

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,


There are many differences between reason and faith. Faith is a passion that does not depend on human reason.
Faith is not a passion. It is a grace and a virtue. It is an act of God and a work of man. It is with this work of God which we must cooperate in obedience of Christ.


The bread is no longer mere bread, it becomes the spritual Christ to us as we partake.
The Bread is no longer bread at all. It is the mere resemblance of bread. It is now the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.


It is determined by faith and not by reason.
That is true. But it is not opposed to reason. Once we accept the fact that Jesus is God and that He created the world with but a word, it becomes as natural to accept this doctrine as it does to accept that God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. There is no human being in the world who can understand those doctrines which say that one Being can be "He in whom we live, move and are."(Acts 17:28). Yet, it is not opposed to reason. It simply can not be attained by the unaided human mind. 


Transubstantiation is not necessary
Whether it is necessary is besides the point. Jesus says it is what He did:
John 6:51

King James Version (KJV)

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.


and makes no sense anyway
It makes no sense to you because it is a teaching which is spiritually discerned:
1 Corinthians 2:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 11:29

King James Version (KJV)

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


Spiritual discernment comes with faith.


as it is dependent upon Roman/Greek physics which is out of date.
Whatever that means.


Neither does it require a priest.
Christ appointed His priesthood to confect the Eucharist when He told His Apostles to: 
Luke 22:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.


Faith is sufficient.
And believing in the Eucharist being the Body and Blood of our Lord is the test of faith. Without faith, you will not believe.


Peace, 
And to you,

Sincerely,

De Maria