Monday, December 22, 2014

Romans 8:28

This Chapter is frequently used by Protestants to support the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved.  It does no such thing.  Here is a Catholic understanding of the entire chapter.

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Those who live according to the  the Spirit of God will not be condemned because they do not commit the sins of the flesh but do the works of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Because it is by the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ that we are made free from the sinful nature in our flesh.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
The Law of God, the Commandments, are written in our hearts.  But the law of sin in the flesh is opposed to the Law of God and dominates the sinful nature.
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Therefore, God sent His only Son appearing as a sinful man in order to destroy sin in man.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Now, the righteousness of the Law of God in the Commandments, is fulfilled in us, who have received the life of Christ in the Sacraments and now walk after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
Because, those who seek their own pleasure follow after sin.
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
But those who seek after God do the will of God.
6 For to be carnally minded is death;
Those who seek after sin will be condemned to eternal punishment, the death of the soul.
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
But those who seek after God will receive eternal life and reconciliation with God.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
But those who seek after the flesh are enemies of God.  For they will not submit to God's will, nor can they ever, since they are opposed to God.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Therefore, those who live for themselves can't please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
But, those who are God's do not seek after themselves, because the Holy Spirit dwells in their hearts.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
But if any man does not have Christ's spirit dwelling in him, that man does not belong to Christ.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if Christ dwells in you, then you are dead to sin and made alive by the Spirit of Christ which leads you to do the will of God.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
And if the Spirit of God is in you, then He shall raise you to eternal life by the power of His Holy Spirit.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Therefore, don't live according to the wicked yearnings of the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Because if you do, you will suffer condemnation.  But if you live according to the righteousness of the Spirit, you will put to death the sins of the flesh and gain eternal life.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Because those who are led by the Holy Spirit are children of the Father.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Because the Holy Spirit gives us the courage to call God, "our Father".
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And the Spirit of God affirms our belief that we are sons of God.
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
And if we are sons of God, then we will receive an inheritance which will will share with His only begotten Son, if and only if, we suffer with Him that we may together receive His love.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Because, I deduce, that the sufferings of this life are no comparison to the magnificence which we will receive
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Because the creation hopes for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because made creation weak and incapable of saving itself, in order that it could hope for salvation by God.
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Thus creation itself shall be freed from sin when the sons of God receive their freedom.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Therefore, all creation suffers until now
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
And not only creation, but even we who have received the sanctifying grace of God by the Spirit, even we suffer, hoping for the time when we are admitted into heaven and recognized as sons of God.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Because we are saved by perseverance in faith, because we don't yet see what we will receive, and so we wait with expectation.
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
And since we can't yet see what we will receive, we continue to wait with perseverance.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:
The Holy Spirit gives us strength to overcome our weakness
for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
Because we don't know how to pray as we should
but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
So, the Holy Spirit prays for us with sounds that we don't know how to make
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,
And God knows what the Holy Spirit says
because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Because the Holy Spirit intercedes for God's people according to ask for those things which God wants us to have
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
And we know that everything that happens is for the good of those who love God

*Note:  Those who love God is the over arching assumption of the following verses.  In other words, God foreknows all, but only those who love Him are called and only those who love Him answer His call and only those who love Him are justified, etc. etc.

It is also well to remember that those who love God are those who keep His commandments:
Exodus 20:6
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

to them who are the called according to his purpose.
 Those who love God are those who respond to His call and do His will as revealed in the Commandments
29 For whom he did foreknow,
God knows all.  Therefore, He did know who would return His love.
he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
and His plan was that all mankind be made in the image of His Son, the image of God.
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
That His Son, Jesus Christ, God with us, might lead us all into heaven to be adopted children of God.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate,  them he also called:
Not only that, but God planned that all mankind would accomplish His will by keeping His commands.
and whom he called, them he also justified:
and those who responded to His call and did as He commanded, these are they who love Him.  So, He forgave them their sins.  As the Son said in the Gospels:
John 14:21
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
And to those who persevered in well doing and pleased God, He will give the crown of glory.
31 What shall we then say to these things?
What shall we say then?
If God be for us, who can be against us?
 If God is in our corner, who can defeat us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
God the Father is He who gave up His Son to die for our sins.  If He gave us His Son, don't you think He will give us anything else that we need?  
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
God is Judge and can read man's heart.  No other man can do so.  Therefore, if God says that we are righteous, who can deny it?
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Who is our Judge but Jesus Christ, who died, rose again and is now seated on the Throne of Glory at the right hand of the Father.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Nothing can stop love God from loving us.  No trouble, no suffering, no attack, not hunger or poverty nor danger nor even threat of life.
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Because we have already given our lives for God.  We no longer live, but Christ lives in us.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
So, even in death, we have won through Christ who loved us to His death.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
And I believe with all my heart, that nothing, not death, not life, not angels, not kings nor magistrates, not now and not ever,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature,
Not anything above nor anything below, not any other thing in creation,
shall be able to separate us from the love of God,
will be able to take God's love away from us
which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And this love was made manifest in our Lord, Jesus Christ, who died in order that we might live. 

The Church also teaches that “all is grace”.




jeremiah October 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Mr. Richard,
I am glad you raised that point. All Christians believe that salvation is by grace ALONE. To say anything else, would be to fall into the heresies of Pelgianism or Semi-Pelagianism. Simply put, we can not save ourselves. However, as Catholics we would not say that this constitutes faith alone because Scripture and tradition both say so. Rather, we are saved by our Christian life that is constituted by the theological virtues of faith, hope and love. Of course such a life begins and is rooted in faith. Faith and works is true but so is grace ALONE.
God bless.
De Maria September 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM
Hi Jeremiah and Richard,
Although I think I understand both sides, I fall on Richard’s side in that question of whether the Church teaches that salvation is by grace or by grace alone.
As far as I know, the Protestant doctrine of grace alone was used to discount everything from the authority of the Church to the validity of the priesthood. In the case of Calvinism, it is even used to discredit the human will. So, although many of our Catholic brethren, converts from Protestantism, use the phrase liberally, I’ve yet to see it officially taught by the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church teaches that God created the world ALONE but did not choose to save us ALONE, that is, without our effort. I believe St. Augustine said something to that effect.
CCC 1847 “God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us.”116 To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”117
Although that does not explicitly refer to salvation by grace, I believe it applies.
The Church teaches salvation by grace (not alone) through faith. The Church also teaches that “all is grace”. In other words, all which we do in response to the grace of God is itself by the grace of God. Therefore, “all” is grace.
Sincerely,
De Maria

Sunday, December 21, 2014

These handkerchiefs were relics of St. Paul


Protestor:
The OP asked 'which would the Roman Catholic consider to be of the most spiritual value to them'?
There are two things wrong with the question.

1. It is comparing apples to oranges. Both are nutritious, but each have its own different nutrient to give the body.

In the same way, both the relic and the Bible have spiritual value. But they are of different sorts. The Bible, understood according to the teaching of the Church, bestows wisdom and knowledge.

As for the sacramental, the relic, the blessings of God are bestowed upon the believer by simply handling the object. The spiritual value is immeasurable as only God can measure its value.


Acts 19:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

These handkerchiefs were relics of St. Paul, do you think the early Christians valued them more highly than they did the Scriptures?

2. You are asking us to make a SPIRITUAL measurement. There is no wrong answer for us. We have seen the power of God work through relics and through the Scriptures. But Protestants do not have spiritual discernment and will not understand our answers nor our reasons.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Sincerely,

De Maria

Saturday, December 20, 2014

December 21, 2014 - Fourth Sunday of Advent

Lectionary: 11

Israel's first King, Saul, has fallen from grace and God has replaced him.  King David has finally, by God's grace, overcome King Saul and all his enemies are dead.  At this point, King David has a pang of conscience.  He is living in grand palace.  But God is living in a small wooden box, the Ark of the Covenant, which is covered by a cloth tent.

So, King David wants to prepare a place for God.

Reading 1 2 SM 7:1-5, 8B-12, 14A, 16

When King David was settled in his palace,
and the LORD had given him rest from his enemies on every side,
he said to Nathan the prophet,
“Here I am living in a house of cedar,
while the ark of God dwells in a tent!”
In the OT Jewish system, there was a group of men whom God had selected through whom He would communicate to the Jews.   Kings would consult these men before they did anything in order to discover God's will.  Nathan was one of them and he was King David's confidante.  Therefore, David told him what he was planning to do.
Nathan answered the king,
“Go, do whatever you have in mind,
for the LORD is with you.”
And Nathan advised the King to go ahead because God loved King David and supported him in all his plans.
But that night the LORD spoke to Nathan and said:
“Go, tell my servant David, ‘Thus says the LORD:
Should you build me a house to dwell in?’
“It was I who took you from the pasture
and from the care of the flock
to be commander of my people Israel.
I have been with you wherever you went,
and I have destroyed all your enemies before you.
And I will make you famous like the great ones of the earth.
I will fix a place for my people Israel;
I will plant them so that they may dwell in their place
without further disturbance.
Neither shall the wicked continue to afflict them as they did of old,
since the time I first appointed judges over my people Israel.
I will give you rest from all your enemies.
The LORD also reveals to you
that he will establish a house for you.
But God told Nathan to go back to King David and tell him that God would build a house for David, but that David should not build a house for God.
And when your time comes and you rest with your ancestors,
I will raise up your heir after you, sprung from your loins,
and I will make his kingdom firm.
I will be a father to him,
and he shall be a son to me.
Your house and your kingdom shall endure forever before me;
your throne shall stand firm forever.”
The house which God would build for King David would be permanent.  I don't think King David was aware that the house to which God was referring is the Catholic Church.  The House of God which was established by Jesus Christ, the Son of David.

Responsorial Psalm PS 89:2-3, 4-5, 27-29

R/ (2a) For ever I will sing the goodness of the Lord.
The promises of the LORD I will sing forever;
through all generations my mouth shall proclaim your faithfulness.
For you have said, “My kindness is established forever”;
in heaven you have confirmed your faithfulness. 
R/ For ever I will sing the goodness of the Lord.
“I have made a covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant:
Forever will I confirm your posterity
and establish your throne for all generations.” 
R/ For ever I will sing the goodness of the Lord.
“He shall say of me, ‘You are my father,
my God, the Rock, my savior.’
Forever I will maintain my kindness toward him,
and my covenant with him stands firm.”
R/ For ever I will sing the goodness of the Lord.
God kept His promise to Abraham and to David.  He brought up a Son from their loins who would bring His people to the promised land.  That Son of Abraham and Son of David, is Jesus Christ.

Reading 2 ROM 16:25-27

Brothers and sisters:
To him who can strengthen you,
according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret for long ages
but now manifested through the prophetic writings and,
according to the command of the eternal God,
made known to all nations to bring about the obedience of faith,
to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ
be glory forever and ever. Amen.
To God be the glory, forever and ever! Amen!

"What is the mystery kept secret for long ages?" you might ask.  I think its a reference to Jesus Christ the incarnate God.  The reason I say this is because the Early Church Fathers said that Jesus Christ was hidden in the Old Testament and revealed in the New.

Jesus Himself said, "You search the scriptures, because you think you have eternal life through them; even they testify on my behalf. (John 5:39)."

Alleluia LK 1:38

R. Alleluia, alleluia.
Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord.
May it be done to me according to your word.
R. Alleluia, alleluia.

Gospel LK 1:26-38

The angel Gabriel was sent from God
to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,
to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph,
of the house of David,
and the virgin’s name was Mary.
And coming to her, he said,
“Hail, full of grace! The Lord is with you.”
But she was greatly troubled at what was said
and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.
Then the angel said to her,
“Do not be afraid, Mary,
for you have found favor with God.
“Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son,
and you shall name him Jesus.
He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High,
and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father,
and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever,
and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
But Mary said to the angel,
“How can this be,
since I have no relations with a man?”
And the angel said to her in reply,
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
Therefore the child to be born
will be called holy, the Son of God.
And behold, Elizabeth, your relative,
has also conceived a son in her old age,
and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren;
for nothing will be impossible for God.”
Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord.
May it be done to me according to your word.”
Then the angel departed from her.
ANGEL GABRIEL
1. an angel is a messenger of God. That is what the word, angel, means.
2. this angel, Gabriel, is one of the four angels that stands before the throne of God.

WAS SENT FROM GOD
1. God sent this angel to Mary.
2. Since this angel is a messenger of God's, God sent Him to deliver a message.
3. Therefore, the angel was not speaking on his own, but was communicating God's message to Mary.
4. If we skip down to verse 28, we see that this was a message of praise (i.e. blessed art thou).
5. Therefore God praised Mary through His Angel.

That is very significant.  Protestants wonder why we "make such a big deal about Mary".  Well, we make a big deal about Mary because God first made a big deal about Mary.  It is God who, through the Angel, is praising Mary.  There is no higher praise than the praise of God!  Its a big deal!

99% of which were Bishops of the Church



Calvin: 
Each one of these early church fathers spoke for scriptures only, not tradition. I will be happy to cite their quotes if a poster would like, it takes up much space to put all of these quotes now.
I'll take you up on the challenge. Lets go one Church Father at a time if you don't mind. That too much space stuff is just an excuse because you know that the Church Fathers had much to say about Tradition. And none of them ever said anything about Scirpture ALONE. Yes, they spoke about Scripture, but they never denied Tradition.

I actually edited the OP to add some.
Thanks. I'll debunk those below.

Therefore scriptures only is not a new invention 
Yes, it is a new invention. Protestants invented it. 

Calvin: 
I have heard many catholic posters here make this claim:
"Sola Scriptura is an invention of 16th century Protestants."
That is correct, I'm one of them.

I even have read this:
"The irony is that the principle by which the Reformers sought to return to the purity of the early Church was itself unknown to the early Church. The idea of sola Scriptura was an invention of the sixteenth century. No Father or council of the early Church ever asserted that the Scriptures, in and of themselves, with-out any reference to the Church, are the all-sufficient rule of faith. The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura was an invention of the Reformation itself. ... This means that from the Day of Pentecost to October 31, 1517-a span of approximately 1488 years-the kind of theology which Protestantism exalts as being "authentic" could not have existed. In other words, the early Church, to which the Reformers theoretically wanted to return, had a theology quite different from that of the Reformers." (THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church, Clark Carlton, 1997, p 91)

So this to me is saying Protestants invented it.
Absolutely!

However upon further reading I have seen this:
.... the earliest apostolic Fathers clearly taught Sola Scriptura.
That's wrong.

The Bible and Apostolic Fathers taught it.
Here, let me show you what the Bible teaches:

1 Timothy 3:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Hebrews 13:17

King James Version (KJV)

17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Please, now its your turn, show me where Scripture says to believe Scripture alone.

Calvin
Then between 200 AD and 1500 AD, there was a gradual move towards the adoption of human creeds and traditions. By the time Luther came along, the Roman Catholic church had become so tradition bound, that the church barely resembled the one you can read about in the Bible. Luther simply restored the concept found in the Bible that scripture overthrows all traditions. For Catholic and Orthodox defenders to say sola Scriptura was invented in the 16th century, is as historically dishonest as it is wishful thinking.
Ok. Lets go one at a time. Here's what these Church Fathers said about Tradition.


180 AD: Irenaeus

Irenaeus
For even creation reveals Him who formed it, and the very work made suggests Him who made it, and the world manifests Him who ordered it. The Universal [Catholic] Church, moreover, through the whole world, has received this tradition from the Apostles (Against Heresies 2:9 [A.D. 189]).

True knowledge is the doctrine of the Apostles, and the ancient constitution of the Church throughout all the world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of Christ according to the successions of the bishops, by which they have handed down that Church which exists in every place, and has come even unto us, being guarded and preserved, without any forging of Scriptures, by a very complete system of doctrine, and neither addition nor curtailment [in truths which she believes]; and [it consists in] reading [the Word of God] without falsification, and a lawful and diligent exposition in harmony with the Scriptures, both without danger and without blasphemy… (ibid.4:33 [A.D. 189]).

180 AD: Clement of Alexandria
Here St. Clement speaks of the preeminence of St. Peter. Protestants say that is a tradition.


Clement of Alexandria
[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? "Behold, we have left all and have followed you" [Matt. 19:2 7, Mark 10:28] (Who is the Rich Man That is Saved? 21:3-5 [A.D. 200]).

200 AD: Tertullian

Tertullian
For wherever both the true Christian rule and faith shall be shown to be, there will be the true Scriptures, and the true expositions, of all the true Christian traditions (The Prescription Against Heretics 19 [A.D. 200]).


200 AD: Hippolytus
Here, Hyppolytus explains the priesthood, which Protestants say is a tradition not in Scripture. Where did he get it from?

Hippolytus
When a deacon is to be ordained, he is chosen after the fashion of those things said above, the bishop alone in like manner imposing his hands upon him as we have prescribed. In the ordaining of a deacon, this is the reason why the bishop alone is to impose his hands upon him: He is not ordained to the priesthood, but to serve the bishop and to fulfill the bishop's command. He has no part in the council of the clergy, but is to attend to his own duties and is to acquaint the bishop with such matters as are needful. . . . On a presbyter [priest], however, let the presbyters impose their hands because of the common and like Spirit of the clergy. Even so, the presbyter has only the power to receive [the Spirit], and not the power to give [the Spirit]. That is why a presbyter does not ordain the clergy; for at the ordaining of a presbyter, he but seals while the bishop ordains. (Apostolic Tradition 9 [ca. A.D. 215]).

250 AD: Cyprian
Here, St. Cyprian speaks of the Church as immaculate and calls the Sacraments divine. Where did he get that?


Cyprian
The spouse of Christ cannot be defiled; she is uncorrupted and chaste. She knows one home . . . Does anyone believe that this unity which comes from divine strength, which is closely connected with the divine sacraments, can be broken asunder in the Church and be separated by the divisions of colliding wills? He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation (On the Unity of the Catholic Church6 [A.D. 251]).

325 AD: Athanasius

Athanasius
Without prefixing Consulate, month, and day, [the Fathers] wrote concerning Easter, "It seemed good as follows," for it did then seem good that there should be a general compliance; but about the faith they wrote not, "It seemed good" but, "Thus believes the Catholic Church"; and thereupon they confessed how they believed, in order to show that their own sentiments were not novel, but Apostolic; and what they wrote down was no discovery of theirs, but is the same as was taught by the Apostles (Letter on the Councils of Ariminum and Seleucia [A.D. 359]).


350 AD: Hilary of Poitiers
Here, St. Hilary proclaims the doctrine of ever virgin Mary and denies that Mary had any children besides Christ. Where did he get that?
Hilary of Poitiers
If they [the brethren of the Lord] had been Mary's sons and not those taken from Joseph's former marriage, she would never have been given over in the moment of the passion [crucifixion] to the apostle John as his mother, the Lord saying to each, "Woman, behold your son," and to John, "Behold your mother" [John 19:26-27], as he bequeathed filial love to a disciple as a consolation to the one desolate (Commentary on Matthew 1:4 [A.D. 354]).


360 AD: Cyril of Jerusalem
Here, St. Cyril calls St. Peter the CHIEF of the Apostles and the keeper of the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Protestants say that is a tradition.

Cyril of Jerusalem
In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis [Acts 9 ;3 2-3 4] (Catechetical Lectures 17;27 [A.D. 350]).

370 AD: Basil

Basil
Of the beliefs and practices whether generally accepted or publicly enjoined which are preserved in the Church some we possess derived from written teaching; others we have received delivered to us "in mystery" by the tradition of the Apostles; and both of these in relation to true religion have the same force. And these no one will contradict; - no one, at all events, who is even moderately versed in the institutions of the Church. For were we to attempt to reject such customs as have no written authority, on the ground that the importance they possess is small, we should unintentionally injure the Gospel in these matters… (On the Holy Spirit 27 [A.D. 375]).

375 AD: Gregory of Nyssa

400 AD: Jerome

Jerome
Don’t you know that the laying on of hands after baptism and then the invocation of the Holy Sirit is a custom of the Churches? Do you demand Scripture proof? You may find it in the Acts of the Apostles. And even if it did not rest on the authority of Scripture the consensus of the whole world in this respect would have the force of a command. For many other observances of the Churches, which are do to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law (The Dialogue Against the Luciferians 8 [A.D. 382]).


405 AD: John Chrysostom

John Chrysostom
"So then brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours" (2 Thessalonians 2:15). Hence it is manifest, that they did not deliver all things by epistle, but many things also unwritten, and in like manner both the one and the other are worthy of credit. Therefore let us think the tradition of the Church also worthy of credit. It is a tradition, seek no farther (Homilies on Second Thessalonians [circa A.D. 400]).


425 AD: Augustine
Here St. Augustine speaks of the primacy of Peter. Protestants say that is a tradition.

Augustine
Among these [apostles] Peter alone almost everywhere deserved to represent the whole Church. Because of that representation of the Church, which only he bore, he deserved to hear "I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Sermons 295:2 [A.D. 411]).


425 AD: John Cassian
Here St. John says that Mary is the Mother of God. Protestants say that is a tradition.John Cassian
You cannot then help admitting that the grace comes from God. It is God, then, who has given it. But it has been given by our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore the Lord Jesus Christ is God. But if he is God, as he certainly is, then she who bore God is the Mother of God (On the Incarnation of Christ Against Nestorius 2:2 [A.D. 429]).


450 AD: Theodoret

Theodoret
I have ever kept the faith of the Apostles undefiled… So have I learnt not only from the Apostles and the Prophets but also from the interpreters of their writings, Ignatius, Eustathius, Athanasius, Basil, Gregory, John, and the rest of the lights of the world; and before these from the holy Fathers in council at Nicaea, whose confession of the faith I preserve in its integrity, like an ancestral inheritance [styling corrupt and enemies of the truth all who dare to transgress its decrees] (Letters no. 89 [circa A.D. 443]).



CalvinEach one of these early church fathers below spoke for scriptures only, not tradition.
"the sacred and inspired Scriptures are sufficient to declare the truth" (Athanasius, Against the Heathen, part 1, 1, 3)
Lets get some context:
Part 1

1. The knowledge of our religion and of the truth of things is independently manifest rather than in need ofhuman teachers, for almost day by day it asserts itself by facts, and manifests itself brighter than the sun by the doctrine of Christ. 2. Still, as you nevertheless desire to hear about it, Macarius , come let us as we may be able set forth a few points of the faith of Christ: able though you are to find it out from the divine oracles, but yet generously desiring to hear from others as well. 3. For although the sacred andinspired Scriptures are sufficient to declare the truth—while there are other works of our blessed teachers compiled for this purpose, if he meet with which a man will gain some knowledge of the interpretation of the Scriptures, and be able to learn what he wishes to know—still, as we have not at present in our hands the compositions of our teachers, we must communicate in writing to you what we learned from them—the faith, namely, of Christ the Saviour; lest any should hold cheap the doctrine taught among us, or thinkfaith. in Christ unreasonable.....

Where does that say, Scripture alone? Where does it deny the value of the Teachers passing down the faith?


Calvin:
Here's another: 
There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man, if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at it in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practice piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God. Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn; and as the Father wills our belief to be, let us believe; and as He wills the Son to be glorified, let us glorify Him; and as He wills the Holy Spirit to be bestowed, let us receive Him. Not according to our own will, nor according to our own mind, nor yet as using violently those things which are given by God, but even as He has chosen to teach them by the Holy Scriptures, so let us discern them." (Hippolytus, Against Noetus, ch 9)
Let's get more context, below:

2. Now they seek to exhibit the foundation for their dogma by citing the word in the lawI am the God of your fathers: you shall have no other gods beside me; and again in another passage, I am the first,He says, and the last; and beside me there is none other. Thus they say they prove that God is one. And then they answer in this manner: If therefore I acknowledge Christ to be God, He is the Father Himself, if He is indeed God; and Christ suffered, being Himself God; and consequently the Father suffered, for He was the Father Himself. But the case stands not thus; for the Scriptures do not set forth the matter in this manner.....3. In this way, then, they choose to set forth these things, and they make use only of one class of passages; just in the same one-sided manner that Theodotus employed when he sought to provethatChrist was a mere man…..

Above, he explains how heretics use Scripture alone to falsify the Word of God.  So, if he was teaching Scripture alone, why would he show how heretics twist Scripture?


4. Let us, as I said, see how he is confuted, and then let us set forth the truth. Now he quotes the words,Egypt has laboured, and the merchandise of Ethiopia and the Sabeans, and so forth on to the words,For You are the God of Israel, the Saviour. And these words he cites without understanding what precedes them. For whenever they wish to attempt anything underhand, they mutilate the Scriptures.

And then in the end, after showing how they mutilate the Scriptures because they ignore the tradition, he gives the remedy:….

17. These testimonies are sufficient for the believing who study truth, and the unbelieving credit no testimony. For the Holy Spirit, indeed, in the person of the apostles, has testified to this, saying, And who has believed our report? Therefore let us not prove ourselves unbelieving, lest the word spoken be fulfilled in us. Let us believe then, dear brethren, according to the tradition of the apostles, that God the Wordcame down from heaven, (and entered) into the holyVirginMary, in order that, taking the flesh from her, and assuming also a human, by which I mean a rationalsoul, and becoming thus all that man is with the exception of sin, He might save fallen man, and confer immortality on men who believe in His name.


So, he shows you that the true reading of Scripture is in line with the Sacred Tradition passed down by the Apostles.  Read the words in red above.  Therefore, he is not teaching the Protestant doctrine of Scripture alone.


Calvin
Don't you know that the laying on of hands after baptism and then the invocation of the Holy Spirit is a custom of the Churches? Do you demand Scripture proof? You may find it in the Acts of the Apostles. And even if it did not rest on the authority of Scripture the consensus of the whole world in this respect would have the force of a command. For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law, as for instance the practice of dipping the head three times in the layer, and then, after leaving the water, of tasting mingled milk and honey in representation of infancy; and, again, the practices of standing up in worship on the Lord's day, and ceasing from fasting every Pentecost; and there are many other unwritten practices which have won their place through reason and custom. So you see we follow the practice of the Church, although it may be clear that a person was baptized before the Spirit was invoked." (Jerome, Dialogue Against the Luciferians, 8)
Really? He says in there to follow the Tradition. So what is your point?

For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law

Calvin
What then? After all these efforts were they tired? Did they leave off? Not at all. They are charging me with innovation, and base their charge on my confession of three hypostases, and blame me for asserting one Goodness, one Power, one Godhead. In this they are not wide of the truth, for I do so assert. Their complaint is that their custom does not accept this, and that Scripture does not agree. What is my reply? I do not consider it fair that the custom which obtains among them should be regarded as a law and rule of orthodoxy. If custom is to be taken in proof of what is right, then it is certainly competent for me to put forward on my side the custom which obtains here. If they reject this, we are clearly not bound to follow them. Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favour of that side will be cast the vote of truth." (Basil, Letter 189, 3)
??? Didn't you understand what he said?

If custom is to be taken in proof of what is right, then it is certainly competent for me to put forward on my side the custom which obtains here.

He is teaching Scripture AND Tradition. Not Scripture alone.


Calvin..of course there are other examples....
There are none.

Therefore, if it was written by the early church fathers of the RCC....how could it have been a protestant invention?
It was not written by the Early Church Fathers. It was invented by the Protestants.

I do not see how the 2 reconcile. Clearly the Protestants did not "invent " but rather went back to the teachings of these early church fathers.
The Protestants invented it and then some tried to justify it by taking certain ECF teachings out of context. 

Thoughts?
A bunch of them.

First, didn't you ever wonder how the ECF's, 99% of which were Bishops of the Church, who commanded authority over their flocks, 99% of which were also priests, who believed in faith AND WORKS, celebrated the Mass and all the Sacraments of the Catholic Church, and taught the doctrines of Purgatory, Marian doctrines, prayer to the Saints and virtually everything that Protestants have discarded, didn't you wonder how they could believe all these things and still somehow believe in the Protestant doctrine of Scripture alone?

You didn't think it through very well did you?

Sincerely,

De Maria