Saturday, April 25, 2015

Those who exalt themselves have received their reward


  • De Maria says:
    Hi again Steve,
    Steve Martin says:
    September 23, 2012 at 8:57 am
    De Maria,

    I’m only stating the facts.
    No, Steve, you’re not. If you were, you could support your claims with Scripture. But you can’t.
    I’m not upset with you.
    I didn’t say you were.
    I’m trying to help you to understand the the severity of God’s law and it’s perfect demand.

    And I am trying to help you understand that faith alone is a tradition of men.

    If you will not see it, then you will not see it.
    Again, God is my judge. As for you, since you claim to see, I’ll let Scripture explain it to you:
    John 9:41
    Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
    I’m not your judge, nor are you mine. But we will be judged.
    By our works:
    Revelation 22:12-15
    King James Version (KJV)
    12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
    Romans 2:1-9
    King James Version (KJV)
    1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
    Jesus said that He came for the sick. And that the healthy do not need a physician.
    That is a double entendre. It means that those who exalt themselves have received their reward. But not God’s.
    Matthew 6:2
    Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    Protestants can save themselves by their faith alone all they want. They have their reward. But not God’s.
    I know that I haven’t done a very good job at living the Christian life. That I’m often self-occupied and too busy for others. I know that I have trouble letting go of my “hard-earned” possessions and money. But that’s just me.

    I’m happy for you that you have a handle on all of this.
    Thank you.
    Sincerely,
    De Maria
  • Friday, April 24, 2015

    Protestants are taught to be judgmental


  • Steve Martin says:
    September 22, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    De Maria,

    I’m not judging you.

    I’m sure you are doing all of those things that Jesus said that we need to do.

    By your own admission, you are doing a “pretty good job of it”.
    De Maria says:
  • Steve,
    I’m sure you’re offering and olive branch, but there’s no need. I’m not upset. Nor do I mean to offend. However, I’m simply illustrating the fact that it is Protestants who are taught to be judgmental.
    Protestants not only judge themselves saved but they judge all others condemned. You are taught to do this by your non-biblical traditions. Because Scripture tells you that God is our judge. There are many things that you can judge, but the ultimate salvation or condemnation of a soul, even your own, is not one of them. That is God’s domain.
    Sincerely,
    De Maria
  • Thursday, April 23, 2015

    How many Commandments does one transgress while evangelizing the Gospel


  • De Maria says:

    Hello Steve,
    Steve Martin says:
    September 22, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    De Maria,

    I’m not judging you.

    I’m sure you are doing all of those things that Jesus said that we need to do.

    By your own admission, you are doing a “pretty good job of it”.
    No I didn’t. And the way you mangled my words in your “quote” is the same problem that Protestants have mangling the Bible. I said, and I quote:
    “I’m keeping them pretty well right now.”
    Tell me, how many Commandments does one transgress while evangelizing the Gospel on a computer? Because that is what I was doing then and am doing again, right now.
    Sincerely,
    De Maria
  • Wednesday, April 22, 2015

    I think very highly of St. Paul.

    De Maria says:


  • Hello Steve,
    Steve Martin says:
    September 21, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    DeMaria,

    You must not think too much of St. Paul and Romans 7.
    I think very highly of St. Paul. I emulate his life to the best of my ability. I also love all the Word of God, including Romans 7. So, you’re wrong on that point.
    You must think that wasn’t a Christian writing that.
    I know that St. Paul is a Christian. And still a member of the Body of Christ to whom I pray almost daily. So, you’re wrong on that point also.
    You also, I’m sure, don’t think too much about the sins of omission.
    I don’t think you know what a sin of omission is. Otherwise you would believe in faith and works. If you believe in sins of omission, then you automatically contradict faith alone. Think about it.
    They are every bit as deadly as the sins of commission.
    Agreed. That is why faith alone is dead. Read Matt 25:31-46. That is the definition of sins of omission.
    I’m sure you live on a thin margin of income and give the rest to the poor. I’m sure you’ve sold all your possessions (except your computer) and have given it all to the poor. And I’m sure you routinely visit nursing homes and jails and work with the homeless.

    You really ought reread the Pharisee and the tax collector parable and see where you fit in. You don’t sound very much like the real sinner who went away justified…but more like the guy who thought he was doing a pretty good job of it.
    1. Whether I do enough to merit God’s favor or not, is between God and I. I bet you haven’t seen this in Scripture either:
    Romans 14:4
    King James Version (KJV)
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
    God is my Judge. Not you.
    2. It seems you need to reread the verse. I’m not the one exalting myself over another. It is you who are exalting yourself over me.
    But you also will be judged by God, no matter how much you claim to be saved by sins of omission (faith alone).
    Sincerely,
    De Maria
  • Tuesday, April 21, 2015

    Is Baptism necessary?

    On the Shameless Popery blog, there's a long interesting conversation on the question of whether Baptism is necessary.  I tried to post this response, but it keeps getting rejected by some technical glitch.  So, I thought I'd post it here.  If anyone can talk to Len, maybe they can forward this to him.


    Len K,

    I hope you don't mind my responding, here's what I would say:

    <b>“Saying that “Jesus isn’t bound by the sacraments He gave us” doesn’t work, because in His conversation with Nicodemus, He isn’t giving him a command. Rather, He’s answering his question, “how can a man be born again…?” </b>

    You're confusing apples and oranges.

    1.  To say that "God" isn't bound by the Sacraments means that the "Holy Spirit" blows where it will.  See verse:

    John 3:8
    8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

    2.  When Jesus answers the question, "How can a man be born again",  He explains it directly:

    John 3:5

    <i>Note to Len:  This tactic of confusing issues is frequently done intentionally in order to stop you from responding.  Then they take the opportunity to get on the offensive.</i>

    <b>Jesus is making a statement about “how” to “enter the kingdom of God” </b>

    Yes, Jesus is responding to the question of how to enter the Kingdom of God and His answer describes the Sacrament of Baptism.


    <b>– not giving a command to him.</b>

    That is a difference between Catholics and Protestants.  To Catholics, Jesus every word is our command.


    <b> Plus, since Jesus is God, He can’t contradict Himself, which is what He’d be doing “if” He’s saying “unless one is baptized in water & the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God,” but then allow UNbaptized people into Heaven, like those baptized by desire/of blood, etc.</b>

    You say this because you don't understand the Word of God in Scripture or in Sacred Tradition.

    First of all, name one OT Prophet who entered the Kingdom of heaven and was baptized?

    They all entered the Kingdom, and none were baptized.  Knowing that, the Catholic Church understands that Baptism is normative for Christ's disciples, that is to say, for Christians.

    <b> If you accept Jesus is referring to water baptism in John 3:5, then you can’t accept baptism by desire/of blood etc. </b>

    You can't because you read Scripture according to the letter.  But the letter kills:

    2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    But we read Scripture the way God intended us to read it, according to the Spirit:

    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Knowing that the Word of God is spiritual, we read more deeply than the letter to the Spirit and the Spirit leads us to the proper understanding of the Word. And in this case, we understand that the Baptisms of blood and desire are perfectly acceptable.

    <b>Otherwise, you are accepting that Jesus is contradicting Himself,</b>

    You are saying this, not we.  But Scripture says:

    Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

    And again:

    1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

    <b>which is what you are doing if you accept both.</b>

    Wrong.  The Catholic Church understand the entire Word of God.  There are not difficult verses for the Catholic Church.  It is Protestants who struggle with It and turn the Word against Itself.

    <b> The problem is you can’t see it – or you refuse to.</b>

    It is you who can't see.This is why there are over 20,000 Protestant denominations.  You make up doctrine everytime you read the Bible.  How long have you been holding this doctrine?  1 day, 2, a week?  The Catholic Church has understood this Doctrine from the lips of Jesus Christ.  2000 years!

     <b>Also, since you are the one asserting that Jesus is talking about water baptism (even though He never mentions baptism during…DURING!!!…His conversation with Nicodemus), then the burden of proof is on you to show “where” DURING His conversation with him that He’s referring to water baptism. I don’t have to prove a negative (that He’s not).</b>

    Those are more differences between Protestant and Catholic.

    1.  Catholics don't sit around making up doctrine when they talk about the Bible.  You folks have the cart before the horse.  Don't you know that Jesus established a Church and commanded the Church to Teach His Word?

    Jesus didn't write a Bible.  The Church did.  And the Church wrote the Bible based upon what Jesus Taught.

    2.  That means that we don't sit around reading the Bible and interpreting it.  Jesus established a Church and commanded that Church to Teach His Word.  THAT INCLUDES THE BIBLE!

    Have you not read in Scripture:

    Matthew 28:19-20King James Version (KJV)

    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Have you not also read:
    Ephesians 3:10King James Version (KJV)

    10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,


    <b>BTW, regarding babies, keep in mind that in the Greek of John Ch.3, </b>

    Do you speak Greek fluently?  Because I don't.  I go by the interpretations of the Church which Jesus Christ establshed and He said:

    Matt 16:19 "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it!"

    Even if you think you understand the Greek, I go by the Teaching of SCRIPTURE.  I obey the Church!

    <b>when it says “he who does not believe is condemned,” the words “not believe” is an active verb. IOW, the active “not believing” is what condemns a person (see also Mark 16:16b). A baby doesn’t have the “active” ability to “not believe,” like an adult can. Are babies sinful & inherited original sin through Adam? – sure they are & have (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12). </b>

    AND THAT'S THE POINT!

    Babies inherited Original Sin from Adam.  Apparently you don't know that means.  It means that they are children of wrath and if they grow up and never come to faith, they will be condemned.

    But, since they are innocent when they are young, even though they are children of wrath, they can be cured by the faith of the parents.  Have you not read in Scripture:

    Matthew 15:22-28King James Version (KJV)

    22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

    23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

    24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

    26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

    27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

    28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

    This woman's child is saved by the mother's faith.  That is what happens in Infant Baptism.  Our children are saved by our faith while they are still children of wrath, God pours His spirit into them and makes them His children because of our love.

    <b>However, UNlike adults, infants are ALSO described in the Bible as being “innocent” (Hebrew: “free from PUNISHMENT, guilt, & obligations”). This is why King David’s 7-day-old son eventually went to Heaven, where David later “went to him,” despite the fact that his son wasn’t circumcised & that his son was conceived in sin. It is also why Jesus states that “little children…for such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 19:14). So, based on the words of Jesus, if those children dropped dead, where would they have went? – Heaven! There are many other examples in the Bible</b>

    Show me.  I want to see many verses.  Chapter and verse.  Show me all of them.


    <b> – both OT & NT – that describe that if a baby or small child die they enter Heaven – & NONE of them are described as being previously baptized in water. In fact, there isn’t even a SINGLE example in Scripture of a baby being baptized in water.</b>

    No one from the OT went to heaven.  Have you not read the Word of God?

    Hebrews 11:39King James Version (KJV)

    39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE.

    No one from the OT went to heaven until Jesus Christ shed His blood on the Cross.

    <b>The “water” Jesus is referring to in John 3:5 isn’t referring to the waters of baptism</b>

    Yes. It is.

    <b> (in fact, in the verses where “baptism” & “born again” – and it’s equivalents, like “born of God” are used – they are NEVER used together). Remember, Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus who is a Pharisee (John 3:1), & Jesus refers to him as “the teacher of ISRAEL” (v.10). Teachers of Israel didn’t “teach” water baptismal salvation. They taught the OLD Testament – not water baptismal salvation. And in the OLD Testament, whenever “water” & “Spirit” were used together figuratively, it ALWAYS referred to the “outpouring” of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 44:3-5; Jeremiah 2:13) – not water baptismal salvation. Paul even makes this connection – see Titus 3:5-7. Nicodemus – the “teacher of ISRAEL” who taught the OLD Testament – would have understood the “water” to refer to the “outpouring” of the Holy Spirit from the OLD Testament – not water baptismal salvation. The latter is an early Catholic misinterpretation of the text that wasn’t even “universally” accepted by the Catholic church until centuries later.”</b>

    The Catholic Church wrote the Text based upon the Teachings of Jesus Christ's lips.  The Catholic Church learned the Word of God from Our Saviour.  The NT is the Catholic Church's first infallible Document.

    You don't get it.

    1.  Jesus Christ established the Catholic Church.
    2.  Jesus Christ taught the Catholic Church.
    3.  The Catholic Church wrote the NT.
    4.  1500 years later, Protestants distorted and corrupted the meaning of the NT.
    5.  But the Catholic Church continues to Teach the Word of God:

    2 Corinthians 5:20King James Version (KJV)

    20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    I hope that helps.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria

    I’m simply illustrating the fact that it is Protestants who are taught to be judgmental.


  • Hello Steve,
    Steve Martin says:
    September 22, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    De Maria,

    I’m not judging you.

    I’m sure you are doing all of those things that Jesus said that we need to do.

    By your own admission, you are doing a “pretty good job of it”.
    No I didn’t. And the way you mangled my words in your “quote” is the same problem that Protestants have mangling the Bible. I said, and I quote:
    “I’m keeping them pretty well right now.”
    Tell me, how many Commandments does one transgress while evangelizing the Gospel on a computer? Because that is what I was doing then and am doing again, right now.

    Steve, I’m sure you’re offering and olive branch, but there’s no need. I’m not upset. Nor do I mean to offend. However, I’m simply illustrating the fact that it is Protestants who are taught to be judgmental.

    Protestants not only judge themselves saved but they judge all others condemned. You are taught to do this by your non-biblical traditions. Because Scripture tells you that God is our judge. There are many things that you can judge, but the ultimate salvation or condemnation of a soul, even your own, is not one of them. That is God’s domain.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria
  • Monday, April 20, 2015

    I think very highly of St. Paul. I emulate his life to the best of my ability.

    De Maria says:


  • Hello Steve,
    Steve Martin says:
    September 21, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    DeMaria,

    You must not think too much of St. Paul and Romans 7.
    I think very highly of St. Paul. I emulate his life to the best of my ability. I also love all the Word of God, including Romans 7. So, you’re wrong on that point.
    You must think that wasn’t a Christian writing that.
    I know that St. Paul is a Christian. And still a member of the Body of Christ to whom I pray almost daily. So, you’re wrong on that point also.
    You also, I’m sure, don’t think too much about the sins of omission.
    I don’t think you know what a sin of omission is. Otherwise you would believe in faith and works. If you believe in sins of omission, then you automatically contradict faith alone. Think about it.
    They are every bit as deadly as the sins of commission.
    Agreed. That is why faith alone is dead. Read Matt 25:31-46. That is the definition of sins of omission.
    I’m sure you live on a thin margin of income and give the rest to the poor. I’m sure you’ve sold all your possessions (except your computer) and have given it all to the poor. And I’m sure you routinely visit nursing homes and jails and work with the homeless.

    You really ought reread the Pharisee and the tax collector parable and see where you fit in. You don’t sound very much like the real sinner who went away justified…but more like the guy who thought he was doing a pretty good job of it.
    1. Whether I do enough to merit God’s favor or not, is between God and I. I bet you haven’t seen this in Scripture either:
    Romans 14:4
    King James Version (KJV)
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
    God is my Judge. Not you.
    2. It seems you need to reread the verse. I’m not the one exalting myself over another. It is you who are exalting yourself over me.
    But you also will be judged by God, no matter how much you claim to be saved by sins of omission (faith alone).
    Sincerely,
    De Maria

  • Sunday, April 19, 2015

    Those who believe they have saved themselves by their faith alone have exalted themselves and put themselves in the place of God.


    De Maria says:
    Hi again Steve,
    Steve Martin says:
    September 21, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    It’s not unbiblical.
    Yes, it is.
    It’s the truth that no one keeps the commandments.
    No, its not:
    Luke 1:
    6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
    The example you used before is about atheists and people who do not believe in God. Scripture is clear that they are all sinners.
    Psalm 53:1
    King James Version (KJV)
    1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
    Jesus said that we “must be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect”
    No He didn’t.
    Matthew 5:47-48
    King James Version (KJV)
    47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
    It is a suggestion, not a command.
    Who has done that?
    Zecharias and Elizabeth, St. Paul, the Apostles, Mary, the Canonized Sts. and many more which aren’t recorded in anyone’s history but whom God knows.
    Jesus told the disciples that “they must sell all their possessions, otherwise they cannot be his disciples.”
    Please provide the verse. Because even in Scripture we find that a rich man was His disciple:
    Matthew 27:57
    King James Version (KJV)
    57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:
    Who is doing that?
    Many of the Canonized Saints, St. Francis of Assissi comes prominently to mind. Ministerial priests give vows of poverty. Many of the religious orders also do that.
    Jesus said that “if you are angry with your brother, then you are a murderer”.

    Who amongst us has not been angry at someone?
    Who amongst us has been angry and then forgiven and been forgiven, repented and confessed their sin to God?
    Jesus told the rich young ruler, who said that he had kept all the commandments since his youth, to “sell everything he had, give it to the poor and follow him (Jesus). And the young man went away sorrowful.
    So? Is that what you would do? Many thousands in the annals of Catholic Church history have gladly sold all their possessions and become one with Christ.
    We don’t keep the commandments.
    Maybe you don’t. I’m keeping them pretty well right now.
    If we say that we are without sin we are deluded.
    I have repented from and confessed my sins. Haven’t you?
    Those who actually believe they are doing a good job of keeping the commandments are in danger of pride, on top of being delusional.
    Those who believe they have saved themselves by their faith alone have exalted themselves and put themselves in the place of God.
    As for us, we don’t judge ourselves. We await for God to judge our works.
    Now…here’s the good news (you’ve heard that term before)…

    Christ died for and loves sinners.
    Excellent news indeed. But if you remain a sinner, you can forget it. Jesus came to call sinners to repentance. Those are the sinners He came to save. The ones who would discard their sinful ways and turn to Him and live:
    Luke 5:32
    King James Version (KJV)
    32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    Sincerely,
    De Maria