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in the Sacraments of the Catholic Church.
You said:Hi De Maria,A few more things to add … :)
The Gospels are too early to rely on for a study on Christian initiation – the reasons i’ve already outlined in my earlier post above.
We cannot also introduce a person to the Christian faith relying on the Epistles and the Book of Revelation either, because they were exhortations to those who were already Christians. So you can now see the Catholic teaching has lost its moorings. :)
God Bless you,
You said,Hi De Maria,Thanks very much for your response. I see at least you have the acumen of responding. Which is good indeed.
In taking verses out of context, I stated John 3:5 because that’s one of the footnotes at the bottom of the CCC,
the Catholic Church relies for scriptural support in respect to baptism. John’s baptism of repentance is found in Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3, Acts 13:24, and more specifically Acts 19:4.
So i am simply pointing that John 3:5 is out of context because you cannot lead a person to become a Christian because John’s Baptism of Repentance was during the period covering the Gospels.
Why?? Simply because during the period covering the Gospels, the Lord had not risen and glorified as yet.
Therefore the Holy Ghost was promised only after his Ascension.
Christian initiation actually starts in the the Book of Acts and not the Gospels.
That is why St.Paul stated it in Acts 19:4.
In fact there has always been a four-fold pattern Jesus and his Apostles always consistently preached a pattern in the entire New Testament. i.e REPENT for you sins, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus, Be BAPTIZED, and RECEIVE the Holy Ghost.
This is the correct pattern we can see on location how the Apostles led inquirers to the Christian faith (Acts 2:38, Acts 2:41). In fact Jesus and John the Baptist always pointed to that four-fold pattern but scattered throughout the Gospels, Acts and the Epistles. But in the Book of Hebrews Chapter 6 they surprisingly appear in that order.
OK so you talk about the RCIA. Does this means those baptized as babies have also have to compulsory undergo RCIA?
Does the RCIA follow the Biblical pattern I’ve covered above?
Also please note that during John’s baptism in Gospel required one to first become a disciple of Christ and then be baptized, by first showing “fruit meets for repentance” – Matthew 3:7-9. Does the RCIA cover this?
Thanks and God Bless you,