Thursday, July 31, 2014

By your standard, you are not credible.



Lutero:

Wow, Catholics complimenting themselves.
Such credibility!
And what are you doing?  You are promoting your faith. Therefore you are also complimenting yourself. By your standard, you are not credible.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Wednesday, July 30, 2014

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The Parable of the treasure in the field compared to the advice to the Rich Young man

The Kingdom of heaven is like a treasure...
Notice the similarities between these two Gospel passages.

Gospel MT 13:44-46

Jesus said to his disciples:
“The Kingdom of heaven is like a treasure buried in a field,
which a person finds and hides again,
and out of joy goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.
Again, the Kingdom of heaven is like a merchant
searching for fine pearls.
When he finds a pearl of great price,
he goes and sells all that he has and buys it.”


The Rich Young Man.
Matt 19:16  Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?”*
17He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good.* If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He asked him, “Which ones?” And Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness;
19honor your father and your mother’; and ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
20 The young man said to him, “All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to [the] poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

See if you follow what I'm saying.

A rich man is walking in a field.  He must be rich because he later returns and purchases the entire field.  We'll come back to that.  While walking in this field, he finds a treasure.  That treasure, in my opinion, is love.  Love is the coin of the realm, so to speak.

When he finds it, he hides it.  Why?  To safeguard it?  To protect it?

No.  If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to [the] poor

To prepare himself.  He wishes to be perfect.  He realizes his imperfection.  He realizes that he is not worthy of the treasure.

In order to be perfect, he must divest himself of self.  He must live according to the demands of love.

Therefore Jesus said to him:

sell what you have and give to [the] poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

So, he did.  He sold all he had and purchased the field in order that he might have the treasure.

Then, Jesus says,

come, follow me.

Do you recognize these words?

Matthew 16:24New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself,[a] take up his cross, and follow me.
Sell all you have and give to the poor = deny yourself and take up your cross
Folks, Jesus emptied Himself to become man and to save mankind.
We must do the same.  He is our  example and model.  We can end this lesson with the words of St. Paul:

Philippians 3:8New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

More than that, I even consider everything as a loss because of the supreme good of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have accepted the loss of all things and I consider them so much rubbish, that I may gain Christ




They wrote the New Testament based upon the Word of God

(continued from yesterday)

Lutero:

You do realize that your interpretation is not the same as the RC leaders who claim they alone have the authority to interpret God's word.
Show me the Catholic Doctrine which says that the Catholic Church ALONE interprets Scripture. I want to see it from a Catholic source.


So if the apostles interpreted Scripture
They didn't. They wrote the New Testament based upon the Word of God transmitted to them by the Teaching of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did not write a word of Scripture. He spoke to them.


and their interpretations are God-breathed,
Their Teachings are God breathed. Their prophecies are God breathed. Their speech is God breathed.
2 Peter 1:19-21

King James Version (KJV)

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.



why aren't the interpretations of the Roman Catholic pontiff and magisterium also God-breathed
They are God breathed. They are the Word of God. Scripture and Tradition are both the Word of God.


and therefore Scripture as well?
Here is the Catholic Teaching:
97 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God" (DV 10) in which, as in a mirror, the pilgrim Church contemplates God, the source of all her riches.

Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Sand Art - Youtube video

Its too straight forward for Protestants

On another forum


CK July 29, 2014 at 6:17 am
Faith said – CK, I would say from a quick look without looking at it in context he is talking about our behavior as Christians, and not how we are justified before God.

CK – here is Clements quote again. It even has the word justified. 30:3 Let us cleave, therefore, to them to whom grace has been given from God. Let us clothe ourselves with concord, being humble, temperate, keeping ourselves far from all whispering and evil speaking, justified by our deeds, and not by our words.

DE MARIA  July 29, 2014 at 10:19 am
De Maria - Justified by our deeds? That’s too straightforward. It's like when St. Paul says, “doers are justified” (Rom 2:13)

Or when James said, “justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24).

If Scripture actually said “justified by faith ALEIN”, Luther would have scratched it out and Protestants would have agreed. Because that’s what they do. They protest the Truth.

Scripture says, “hold the traditions by word and epistle” Protestants say, “No traditions! Hold Scripture alone!”

Scripture says, “justified by works and not by faith alone” Protestants say, “ No works!  justified by faith alone!”

Scripture says, “watch out lest you fall away” Protestants say, “you can’t fall away! once you’re saved, you’re always saved!’

Scripture says, “I don’t care who judges me, I don’t even judge myself, Christ is my judge” Protestants say, “who needs Christ’s judgment?! I know I’m saved!”

Its like Protestants are the HISHE guys and they are writing, “How the Gospel of Jesus Christ should have ended.”

Catch more flies with honey? Really?

Usually, Protestants complain about my style of writing.   Even though I don't use ad hominems nor derogatory terms towards them, they get upset with me.

And then, in a form of transference, they claim that I'm the one who is upset.

Usually, Catholics approve of how I write.  But occasionally, some also complain.  I guess they feel sorry for the Protestants who wrangle with me about the meaning of Scripture.  Who knows?

Anyway, those who complain, Catholic or Protestant will sometimes give me pithy sayings like, "You might win the battle, but you'll lose the war."

Well, uh, that's not necessarily true.  Wars are won, one battle at a time.  If you keep winning the battles, you'll probably win the war.

But who's at war anyway?  Its not like I'm a Muslim who thinks he's always in jihad.  I'm simply having a conversation or a debate, if you will.   And I'm not the one getting upset.  Its the Protestants who get upset when I show them that their doctrines are not in Scripture.

Recently, one of those people said to me (and she's not the first), "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

What?  Really?  Who wants to catch flies in the first place?  Flies poop on you.  Flies are disgusting.  If you really want to catch flies, look for a pile of dung.  I've never seen a glop of honey swarming with flies.  But I have frequently seen dung and feces and rotting flesh that is swarming with flies.

And, it just occurred to me.  Are these guys, who say this, are they comparing Protestants to ugly, disgusting flies?  Ugh.

Folks, about twenty years ago, when I first started talking to Protestants, I wrote my first apologetic and I thought, "That's impregnable!  Protestants will look at that and be convinced and be converted in droves!"

That was probably the biggest disappointment I ever had.  No one was convinced.  At least, none of the ones who replied.  It didn't take me long to change my expectations.   If I once thought that I was born with a golden spoon in my mouth, that thought didn't linger for very long.

After twenty years of apologetics, I can, if I stretch, count the number of former Protestants who said my arguments helped convince them of the truth of the Catholic Church, on two hands.  But not all ten fingers.

But with Catholics, its the other way around.  Catholics have frequently thanked me and encouraged me on my efforts.

So, guess what?  I soon learned not to write to convince Protestants.  If I had done so, I would have soon quit in sad disappointment.  I mean, sure, if a Protestant is convinced by my words, that's icing on the cake.

My writings are meant to support and instruct Catholics who might be struggling with how to respond to Protestants who are trying to convert them away from their Catholic faith.

Anyway, if for some really strange and unlikely reason, I would ever want to catch flies.  I wouldn't use honey.

And if my words sound like vinegar, its because vinegar is good for you.  It might taste bitter.  But as the old saying goes, "Good medicine, tastes bad".

Sincerely,

De Maria

Catholics are more familiar with God's word than Protestants taught in seminary



Lutero:

Please point me to this "Sacred Tradition" which you claim is God-breathed.
To what purpose, will you then submit to it?


Please produce the ex cathedra proclamation that infallibly states that the Latin Vulgate Bible is the official Bible of Roman Catholicism.
There is none. 


Remember Jerome set aside the DC books believing them to NOT be inspired.
St. Jerome put the Latin Vulgate together and included within them, the DC books.


But those who originally recognized and passed on God's word didn't believe in the things you modern Roman Catholics believe in. Today's Roman Catholics have a different gospel than the early Christian church.
We believe precisely the same thing that Jesus taught and the Church passed on.


Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul and Peter were not Roman Catholics.
They were Catholic.


They didn't teach any of the later developed doctrines and dogmas your sect teaches.
Not in modern terminology. For instance, they didn't use the term "Holy Trinity" or "Triune God", but they certainly taught these concepts.


Sell your propaganda to those who are not familiar with God's word...like other Roman Catholics.
Catholics are more familiar with God's word than even the Protestants which have been to Protestant seminary.


What are? Please produce these other words of God
Who said they were other words? You did. But no Catholic has ever said such a thing. The Word of God is passed down by Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. Everything the Catholic Church teaches is in Scripture either explicit or implied. But Protestant doctrine which contradicts Catholic Doctrine also contradicts the Scriptures.


and please explain why they haven't been added to the Roman Catholic Bible if they are really the word of God.
Because there is no need to do so. We pass on the Word of God by Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.


Hahaha. You DO need it. Roman Catholic apologists say that popes don't declare doctrines and dogmas ex cathedra until they are challenged. This claim has been challenged for centuries and the RC church remains silent. That's because they don't even know what is and is not infallibly declared.
All Catholic Doctrine is infallible. You folks sit around saying, "I want to see an infallible proclamation." But you don't even know what that is.

Let me give you an example. When Luther declared that faith alone justifies. He challenged the infallible Catholic Doctrine of justification by faith and works. The Catholic Church did not have to convene the Council of Trent to pronounce it infallible. It was infallible before Luther challenged it. The Catholic Church merely put the Council of Trent together to emphasize the absolute Truth of its infallible Teaching and to anathematize the heretics.


You may buy that lie, but God tells us to test all things. You can't test what you don't even know. And that's how the RC sect likes it.
Lets test them. Lets begin with Sola Scriptura. Where is it in Scripture? Show me.

(continued tomorrow)

Sunday, July 27, 2014

It is Protestants, who added to and subtracted from, the Word of God.



Lutero:

You are getting close to the facts on this because it was not until Trent that the canon of the bible was canonized.
Then how did the canon of the Bible exist for 1000 years before that council?


However they did NOT confirm the Vulgate which had declared that the Deuterocanicals were apochrypha.
 Because they aren't.

Trent declared the Deuteros to be equal to the rest of scripture, unlike the Vulgate.
The records of Trent are public. Here is the exact quote:
Decree Concerning The Edition And Use Of The Sacred Books
Moreover, the same holy council considering that not a little advantage will accrue to the Church of God if it be made known which of all the Latin editions of the sacred books now in circulation is to be regarded as authentic, ordains and declares that the old Latin Vulgate Edition, which, in use for so many hundred years, has been approved by the Church, be in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions held as authentic, and that no one dare or presume under any pretext whatsoever to reject it.....
http://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/trent4.htm

All the books of the Vulgate were approved and declared to be Scripture, just like the Vulgate



Martin Luthers translation of the Vulgate into German was like the Vugate in all respects. The Trent Canon was not.
All you have to do is provide proof. The fact is that it is Luther and the Protestants who rejected the Deuteros. It is they who labeled them apocryphal.  It is they, who added to and subtracted from, the Word of God.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Friday, July 25, 2014

7QTs on the Good Thief


The Good Thief vs 

Salvation by Faith Alone

Catholics and Protestants agree that the Good Thief, whom Catholics know as St. Dismas, was saved on the Cross.  But Protestants claim that he was saved by "faith alone".  They claim that St. Dismas could not have performed any good, meritorious works while hanging on the Cross beside Jesus.

Is that true?  Let's see.


He suffered in the flesh.  Scripture says:

1 Peter 4:1

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Crucifixion is considered one of the most painful ways to die that man has ever invented.  And, as you can see, suffering in the flesh does away with sin.  Christ must have known that the Good Thief had expiated his sins by the suffering that he endured on that cross.

He suffered with Jesus. Scripture says:

Romans 8:17King James Version (KJV)

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Who can deny that St. Dismas suffered with Christ?  There he was suffering on the cross right next to Him.  The only one any closer was Mary, His mother, who was spiritually suffering on the Cross with Jesus.



He admonished the sinner.

 Do you remember that he reproved and rebuked the other criminal in defense of Jesus Christ?  Scripture again says:

1 Thessalonians 5:14 [Full Chapter]
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

This is a spiritual good work of mercy in accordance with the Teaching of the Church:

2447 The works of mercy are charitable actions by which we come to the aid of our neighbor in his spiritual and bodily necessities. Instructing, advising, consoling, comforting are spiritual works of mercy, as are forgiving and bearing wrongs patiently. The corporal works of mercy consist especially in feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned, and burying the dead. Among all these, giving alms to the poor is one of the chief witnesses to fraternal charity: it is also a work of justice pleasing to God: 
He who has two coats, let him share with him who has none and he who has food must do likewise. But give for alms those things which are within; and behold, everything is clean for you. If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit?

He gave good witness. 

He openly confessed his faith in Jesus Christ, asking Him for salvation. 

Matthew 10:32King James Version (KJV)

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.


He converted the sinner.  

His words have, through the centuries, converted many to faith in Christ. I count myself amongst them whom his words and example helped to convert.  Do you know what happens to those who convert others to Christ?

James 5:20King James Version (KJV)

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
He has saved his soul from death and his sins are forgiven.

He received a special revelation.

Jesus is God.  And His word is effective.  So, EVEN IF St. Dismas had not performed the works which he performed from his cross. He would still go to heaven because the Catholic Church recognizes God's total authority. It is God, in the person of Jesus Christ, who told him that he would be saved. Therefore, St. Dismas would have been saved had he done nothing else.

The Council of Trent says:
CHAPTER XII
RASH PRESUMPTION OF PREDESTINATION IS TO BE AVOIDED

No one, moreover, so long as he lives this mortal life, ought in regard to the sacred mystery of divine predestination, so far presume as to state with absolute certainty that he is among the number of the predestined,[74] as if it were true that the one justified either cannot sin any more, or, if he does sin, that he ought to promise himself an assured repentance.

For except by special revelation, it cannot be known whom God has chosen to Himself.
When Jesus said to St. Dismas, "today, you shall be with me in paradise". That is recognized as a special revelation directly from God.

Did the Good Thief produce good works?  

By all means!

Those who ask the question have a poor understanding of the nature of good works.  Certainly, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked are good and meritorious works of mercy which provide the creature comforts a person needs to survive.  But spiritual good works are also good and meritorious in the eyes of God.

Hanging upon that cross beside Jesus, it is as though the Good Thief was standing before Jesus Christ at the Judgement.  Jesus Christ judged the Good Thief according to his works which  he had done in the body and knowing that he believed, He counted it to him as righteousness.  Just as he does for all who, with the proper disposition of humility and faith, approach the Judgement Seat of Jesus Christ at the Sacraments.

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