January 18, 2013 at 10:57 PM
dan morgan stanley September 5, 2012 at 5:26 AM
The thing is that people are always discrediting other peoples religion, but never start by crediting their own. It is not that the Baptist believe that the name Baptist has a running lineage, but that the beliefs the Baptist have can be traced back to the days of Jesus and the disciples.
The thing is that people are always discrediting other peoples religion, but never start by crediting their own. It is not that the Baptist believe that the name Baptist has a running lineage, but that the beliefs the Baptist have can be traced back to the days of Jesus and the disciples.
Only those doctrines that Baptists hold in common with the Catholic Church can be traced back to Jesus and the Disciples.
I understand now that you think you have disproven the lineage of the Baptist.
It really goes without saying. The Baptists did not come into being until well after the Protestant Revolution. The group did not exist before that time.
How does that prove the doctrines of the Catholic church. Such as the Sacraments, or relics?
I’m not really sure what you mean. But from the context of the conversation, I think you mean, “How does that prove that the doctrines of the Catholic Church are from Jesus and the Apostles? There are many ways to do so. One way is to trace them through the Early Church Fathers. They will take you through the centuries to the beginning of Christianity and the Teachings of the Jesus Christ and the Apostles.
Another way is to find them in Scripture. The two examples you mention are found in these verses:
All the Sacraments are effusions of the Holy Spirit and therefore can all be described as Baptisms of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism-
Ephesians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Ephesians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
The Baptism ritual can be described as the washing of water by the word.
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
And of course, in the Sacrament of Baptism we wash away our sins calling on the name of the Lord.
Confession:
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Is also known as the ministry of reconciliation.
Hebrews 13:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
King James Version (KJV)
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
And it is in the Sacrament of Confession that we give account of our sins to our priests and we submit to and obey their recommendations for our penance to make satisfaction for our sins and to repent and avoid those sins in the future.
Confirmation:
Acts 8:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
This is an example of the Sacrament of Confirmation being applied to baptized Christians in Scripture.
1 Corinthians 11:27
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
This proves that the Apostles were already partaking of the Eucharist in Apostolic times.
Anointing:
James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Presbytery:
1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
Relics:
Acts 19:12
So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Acts 19:12
So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Now, please provide support for Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide from Scripture. Either one will do. I will show you how the pillars of the Baptist sect contradict Scripture.
Sincerely,
De Maria
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