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I would agree there is no definition of Sola Scriptura in Scripture.
Nor is Sola Scriptura mentioned in Scripture. And the fact that Sola Scriptura is absent from Scripture tells us that Sola Scriptura is a doctrine of men. In fact, Sola Scriptura contradicts Scripture which tells us to keep Tradition (2 Thess 2:15).
What we do know about Scripture is that it alone is inspired-inerrant. It alone is the Word of God.
Chapter and verse please.
What I see is Scripture says that Scripture is inspired (2 Tim 3:16). But it is the Church which tells you which books are Scripture and teaches that Scripture is without error.
Scripture also teaches that men are inspired of the Holy Spirit to speak and then to write the Scripture (2 Pet 19-21).
I also see that Scripture tells me that the Church teaches the Wisdom of God. I suppose that the Wisdom of God is also inspired-inerrant, wouldn't you agree?
I see no verse saying that Scripture ALONE is inspired-inerrant. So, please produce the chapter and verse.
What follows from this is that there is no higher or equal authority to the Scripture.
God is the highest authority in all matters. Scripture has no authority except as a rule upon which men can meditate to learn the Will of God. But the Church has been authorized to teach the Wisdom of God and to rule over men (Matt 28:19-20). And even to forgive their sins (John 20:22-23).
That is why its teachings are binding. Any teaching that contradicts Scripture or that Scripture does not address is not binding.
You admitted in your first sentence that Scripture does not address the doctrine of Scripture alone. Therefore, by your own admission, Scripture alone is a false doctrine.
Eating meat on Friday during lent is an example of a teaching-practice that is not apostolic and thereby not binding.
Abstinence from meat on Fridays is a Church discipline. And, as I have shown, Jesus Christ gave the Church authority over His disciples. Anyone who does not obey the Church is treated as a heathen (Matt 18:17).
Other doctrines of your church such as the Marian dogmas would be not binding nor apostolic.
Marian doctrines are in Scripture either explicit or implied. Sola Scriptura is totally absent from Scripture and contradicts the Word of God.
Sincerely,
De Maria
I would agree there is no definition of Sola Scriptura in Scripture.
Nor is Sola Scriptura mentioned in Scripture. And the fact that Sola Scriptura is absent from Scripture tells us that Sola Scriptura is a doctrine of men. In fact, Sola Scriptura contradicts Scripture which tells us to keep Tradition (2 Thess 2:15).
What we do know about Scripture is that it alone is inspired-inerrant. It alone is the Word of God.
Chapter and verse please.
What I see is Scripture says that Scripture is inspired (2 Tim 3:16). But it is the Church which tells you which books are Scripture and teaches that Scripture is without error.
Scripture also teaches that men are inspired of the Holy Spirit to speak and then to write the Scripture (2 Pet 19-21).
I also see that Scripture tells me that the Church teaches the Wisdom of God. I suppose that the Wisdom of God is also inspired-inerrant, wouldn't you agree?
I see no verse saying that Scripture ALONE is inspired-inerrant. So, please produce the chapter and verse.
What follows from this is that there is no higher or equal authority to the Scripture.
God is the highest authority in all matters. Scripture has no authority except as a rule upon which men can meditate to learn the Will of God. But the Church has been authorized to teach the Wisdom of God and to rule over men (Matt 28:19-20). And even to forgive their sins (John 20:22-23).
That is why its teachings are binding. Any teaching that contradicts Scripture or that Scripture does not address is not binding.
You admitted in your first sentence that Scripture does not address the doctrine of Scripture alone. Therefore, by your own admission, Scripture alone is a false doctrine.
Eating meat on Friday during lent is an example of a teaching-practice that is not apostolic and thereby not binding.
Abstinence from meat on Fridays is a Church discipline. And, as I have shown, Jesus Christ gave the Church authority over His disciples. Anyone who does not obey the Church is treated as a heathen (Matt 18:17).
Other doctrines of your church such as the Marian dogmas would be not binding nor apostolic.
Marian doctrines are in Scripture either explicit or implied. Sola Scriptura is totally absent from Scripture and contradicts the Word of God.
Sincerely,
De Maria
I would agree there is no definition of Sola Scriptura in Scripture. What we do know about Scripture is that it alone is inspired-inerrant. It alone is the Word of God.
ReplyDeleteWhat follows from this is that there is no higher or equal authority to the Scripture. That is why its teachings are binding. Any teaching that contradicts Scripture or that Scripture does not address is not binding.
Eating meat on Friday during lent is an example of a teaching-practice that is not apostolic and thereby not binding. Other doctrines of your church such as the Marian dogmas would be not binding nor apostolic.
AnonymousNovember 2, 2019 at 11:12 PM
DeleteHi, thanks for responding.
I would agree there is no definition of Sola Scriptura in Scripture.
If it is not defined in Scripture, then, since you follow Scripture alone, how do you know what it is?
What we do know about Scripture is that it alone is inspired-inerrant. It alone is the Word of God.
Scripture says that your rulers in the Church Teach the Word of God (Hebrews 13:7).
What follows from this is
If it were true, but it's not. Scripture Teaches that men are inspired (2 Pet 1:21). And that the passing on of oral Tradition is also the Word of God, (2 Thess 1:13). Finally, Scripture nowhere say Scripture alone.
that there is no higher or equal authority to the Scripture.
First, there's God. He's higher. And if Scripture doesn't say it, then, this knowledge was handed down by Tradition.
Second, Scripture says that Tradition is equal to Scripture (2 Thess 2:15).
3rd, Scripture does not say that Scripture has greater authority than the Church. In fact, we get that knowledge from the Sacred Tradition.
That is why its teachings are binding.
It's Teachings are binding only after the Church ratifies the Teaching. Look at Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem. Scripture tells us of the necessity of circumcision. Here, the Church is shown telling us that the Church decided this is no longer necessary (Acts 15:22-29).
Any teaching that contradicts Scripture or that Scripture does not address is not binding.
Scripture doesn't say that. And in fact, that is why so many non-Catholics believe that abortion and contraception are acceptable. You will find no explicit teaching on these matters in Scripture. But the Church directly opposes those practices and declares them mortal sins.
Eating meat on Friday during lent is an example of a teaching-practice that is not apostolic and thereby not binding. Other doctrines of your church such as the Marian dogmas would be not binding nor apostolic.
Disciplines, like eating meat on Fridays, are imposed by the Church whenever she feels it is necessary for the people of God as a different level of instruction.
The Marian Doctrines are examples of Doctrines which are implied in Scripture, but defined by the Church. Much like you're attempting to do with Sola Scriptura, except that Scripture not only does not imply Sola Scriptura, but contradicts the whole idea.
Thanks for participating.
Scripture does not need to say "there would be a time when it would be the sole infallible authority."
ReplyDeleteAny teaching that contradicts Scripture or that Scripture does not address is not binding.
This does not in the least change the idea that the Scripture alone is inspired-inerrant Word of God.
It follows from the necessity of the case that something that is inspired-inerrant by definition is the highest authority in the church. This is based on the nature of the Scripture itself.
AnonymousNovember 19, 2019 at 3:06 PM
DeleteScripture does not need to say "there would be a time when it would be the sole infallible authority."
That's true. Because if it did, it would contradict itself. Since it plainly says that the Church is infallible, more than once. (Eph 3:10; 1 Tim 3:15).
Any teaching that contradicts Scripture or that Scripture does not address is not binding.
That's true. And it is also true that any teaching that contradicts the Church, also contradicts Scripture and is not binding.
This does not in the least change the idea that the Scripture alone is inspired-inerrant Word of God.
This does not in the least change the idea that Scripture does not say that because if it did, it would contradict itself. Since Scripture says that Holy men were inspired to preach (2 Pet 1:21). And Scripture says that the Church is infallible (Eph 3:10; Matt 16:18).
It follows from the necessity of the case that something that is inspired-inerrant by definition is the highest authority in the church.
On the contrary, there is no necessity there at all. That is a non-sequitur because the Scripture holds the Church as the highest authority. When does the Scripture lead the believer to the Scripture to settle disputes? It doesn't. But it leads the believer to the Church to settle disputes (Matt 18:17; Acts 15:28). Thus showing that the Church is of highest authority.
And Scripture clearly points to the Church as the authority to which believers should submit (Heb 13:17).
This is based on the nature of the Scripture itself.
This is your anti-Scriptural opinion. Scripture itself, contradicts your opinion.