(continued from yesterday)
Yes, He did.
1 Corinthians 8:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
If that is true, then are you claiming that Scripture contradicts itself? Because St. Paul wrote those words but you claim that he reprimanded St. Peter for not offending the Jews by eating pork with the gentiles.
Luke 22:30-32
King James Version (KJV)
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
how shall we account it disgraceful to confess that we are ignorant of some things,since in this we have the example of our Master?
Clement is here comparing the office of Peter to "our Master". Who is "our Master"? Is it not Jesus Christ?
If Jesus Christ is not infallible, then you are correct. But I believe Jesus Christ is infallible. And the office of the Papacy holds His representative on earth and is therefore infallible by virtue of His infallibility.
That is why He signified it with His name. The Rock.
(to be continued)
Lutero
You read more into it than what is there. Jesus never declared Peter infallible.
Yes, He did.
Just read the gospels to find out how fallible all the apostles were.They were not, as yet, functioning as the Church.
That is correct.
And if you answer their mistakes were before Pentecost
Hm? St. Paul reprimanded St. Peter for doing what St. Paul recommended? Doesn't St. Paul say:
then I will remind you when Paul reprimanded Peter after Pentecost for not eating with the Gentiles because he did not want to offend the Jews.
1 Corinthians 8:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
If that is true, then are you claiming that Scripture contradicts itself? Because St. Paul wrote those words but you claim that he reprimanded St. Peter for not offending the Jews by eating pork with the gentiles.
Yes, St. Peter was infallible. Or are you saying that the Epistles of Peter are filled with error?
No, Peter was not infallible.
Correct.
He was the authority that Christ put over His church after Christ departed.
It is the other way around. Scripture is clear:
And Peter had eleven other apostles to keep him in check, in case he were to stumble.
Luke 22:30-32
King James Version (KJV)
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
KEY WORDS
Let me end with this quote from Peter, himself,
"...there is no man who ought to be ashamed of this [their lack of skill], because there is no man who ought to profess that he knows all things; for there is only One who knows all things, even He who also made all things. For if our Master declared that He knew not the day and the hour whose signs even He foretold, and referred the whole to the Father, how shall we account it disgraceful to confess that we are ignorant of some things, since in this we have the example of our Master? But this only we profess, that we know those things which we have learned from the true Prophet; and that those things have been delivered to us by the true Prophet, which He judged to be sufficient for human knowledge." Peter,Recognitions of clement, Book 10, chapter 14
how shall we account it disgraceful to confess that we are ignorant of some things,since in this we have the example of our Master?
Clement is here comparing the office of Peter to "our Master". Who is "our Master"? Is it not Jesus Christ?
If Jesus Christ is not infallible, then you are correct. But I believe Jesus Christ is infallible. And the office of the Papacy holds His representative on earth and is therefore infallible by virtue of His infallibility.
That is why He signified it with His name. The Rock.
(to be continued)
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