Justification by faith apart from works and Justification by faith and works are seamlessly combined in the Catholic Sacramental System.
Justification by faith apart from works succinctly describes the Sacraments of Baptism, Reconciliation, Confirmation, Anointing and Eucharist.
The Catholic Church teaches that the Sacraments are Works of God:
740 These "mighty works of God," offered to believers in the sacraments of the Church, bear their fruit in the new life in Christ, according to the Spirit. (This will be the topic of Part Three.)
987 "In the forgiveness of sins, both priests and sacraments are instruments which our Lord Jesus Christ, the only author and liberal giver of salvation, wills to use in order to efface our sins and give us the grace of justification" (Roman Catechism, I, 11, 6).
These Sacraments impart grace to the extent of one's faith: The Church teaches that the effect of a sacrament comes ex opere operato, by the very fact of being administered, regardless of the personal holiness of the minister administering it.[3] However, a recipient's own lack of proper disposition to receive the grace conveyed can block the effectiveness of the sacrament in that person. The sacraments presuppose faith and through their words and ritual elements, nourish, strengthen and give expression to faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacraments_of_the_Catholic_Church
Justification by faith and works is the preparation of man for the reception of grace in the Sacraments: 2001 The preparation of man for the reception of grace is already a work of grace. This latter is needed to arouse and sustain our collaboration in justification through faith, and in sanctification through charity. God brings to completion in us what he has begun, "since he who completes his work by cooperating with our will began by working so that we might will it:" Indeed we also work, but we are only collaborating with God who works, for his mercy has gone before us. It has gone before us so that we may be healed, and follows us so that once healed, we may be given life; it goes before us so that we may be called, and follows us so that we may be glorified; it goes before us so that we may live devoutly, and follows us so that we may always live with God: for without him we can do nothing. http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2001.htm
An adult who converts to the faith of Jesus Christ, must justify himself in preparation for the Sacraments by performing works worthy of penance. He performs these good works by exercising faith in God. Just as we exercise our muscles, this strengthens his faith making him more open to receive the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit which transforms him according to his faith. He is then sent out again to continue doing the works which God prepared for him from the beginning of time and continue to exercise and enlarge his faith so that he becomes more open and properly disposed to receive more Sanctifying grace which is imparted by the Sacraments.
Which is completely consistent with Scripture which says, only doers of the law will be justified (Romans 2:13) apart from the works of the law (Romans 3:28).
May God bless you.
Which is completely consistent with Scripture which says, only doers of the law will be justified (Romans 2:13)
ReplyDeletenope! not consistent at all. you're still dead in sins and trespasses and hell bound. God justifies a "lost sinner".by faith in the BLOOD of Christ for the forgiveness of sins (Romans 3:24-26).
don't hop, skip and jump verses ... God is not the author of confusion.
AnonymousMay 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM
Deletenope! not consistent at all. you're still dead in sins and trespasses and hell bound. God justifies a "lost sinner".by faith in the BLOOD of Christ for the forgiveness of sins (Romans 3:24-26).
Romans 3:24-26 says nothing about lost sinners being justified. Let's read it together.
Romans 3:24-26
King James Version (KJV)
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Is he talking about "lost sinners"? No! He's talking about those who have turned to Jesus Christ in faith, repented from their sins and keep the law:
Romans 3
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
don't hop, skip and jump verses ... God is not the author of confusion.
Let's compare Scripture to Scripture.
Romans 2:13 says God justifies those who do the works of the law.
Romans 8:7 says that those who refuse to do the works of the law are enemies of God.
The rest of Romans 8 says that those who do the works of the law, are those who live by the Spirit of Jesus Christ and are the Sons of God.
Sincerely,
De Maria
To the reader,
ReplyDeleteAnonymous is making a typical Protestant error. He is interpreting the Gospel. The Catholic Church does not interpret the Gospel. She wrote the Gospel based upon the Traditions of Jesus Christ. It is these Traditions which hold the key to understanding Scripture.
Protestants discarded Tradition long ago. Therefore, they have to reinvent the Christian faith.
Sincerely,
De Maria
Romans 3:24-26 says nothing about lost sinners being justified. Let's read it together.
ReplyDeleteAgain .. its the circular reasoning you are interpreting scripture. Paul wrote Romans which is a book of doctrine. To understand how the God (not men) defines "justification", read Romans Chapters 1 to 4 of how God deals with the sinful human race, to get the context. Just simply ripping off a few verses won't help and in condemned in scripture.
JUSTIFICATION IN THE EYES OF GOD IS TAUGHT IN ROMANS CHAPTERSONE THROUGH FOUR. AFTER BELIEVING THE “EVIL TIDINGS” AGAINST YOU IN ROMANS CHAPTER ONE, VERSE EIGHTEEN, THROUGH CHAPTER THREE, VERSE TWENTY, YOU WILL FIND THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD PREACHING THE “GLAD TIDINGS” IN THE FOLLOWING WORDS OF GOD, FROM ROMANSCHAPTER THREE, VERSES TWENTY FOUR THROUGH TWENTY SIX.
“Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
If you don't see justification as how God sees it -- then you are lost as the day's light.
Anonymous is making a typical Protestant error. He is interpreting the Gospel. The Catholic Church does not interpret the Gospel. She wrote the Gospel based upon the Traditions of Jesus Christ. It is these Traditions which hold the key to understanding Scripture.
If the Catholic Church wrote a Gospel based on tradition... then according to St.Paul, it is another Gospel and is accursed. (Galatians 1:6, 1:9).
Observe diligently, what St.Paul under the guidance of Holy Ghost, wrote in Romans 16:25-27, which is the key to understanding and unlocking scripture. It is the key that many cultic religions of the world fail to see.
St.Paul was given "mystery truth" by revelation which is in operation today. Find out why St.Paul refers to "my gospel" in his epistles (Romans 2:16, 16:25).
AnonymousMay 17, 2014 at 8:52 PM
DeleteAgain .. its the circular reasoning you are interpreting scripture.
We'll let the reader decide who is being circular between you and I.
Paul wrote Romans which is a book of doctrine. To understand how the God (not men) defines "justification", read Romans Chapters 1 to 4 of how God deals with the sinful human race, to get the context. Just simply ripping off a few verses won't help and in condemned in scripture.
Let's see.
Romans 1 says we need to be obedient:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Romans 1 continues and says that God hates those who do not keep the Commandments. He even lists the sins against the Ten Commandments:
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Then, in Rom 2, he says that God rewards those who do good:
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God....
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Then in Rom 3, he says that we do not annul the law by our faith: He compares the Old Testament with the New. You view it as a comparison of works against faith. But it is a comparison of one Covenant with another.
The term "faith of Jesus Christ" is synonymous with "Church of Jesus Christ". When he says we are saved by faith, he means we are saved by the rituals and rites of the Catholic Church which Jesus Christ established.
And he culminates by emphasizing that the Law of God, the Ten Commandments, are not anulled by the Catholic Church.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
In Romans 4, he uses Abraham as an example of a man of faith. But not as you suppose. We, Catholics, are the children of Abraham because we believe God's promises. And we act upon our faith. Like unto Abraham, God sees us when we present ourselves for the Sacraments and counts it to us as righreousness by washing us our sins in the washing of regeneration.
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DeleteJUSTIFICATION IN THE EYES OF GOD IS TAUGHT IN ROMANS CHAPTERSONE THROUGH FOUR. AFTER BELIEVING THE “EVIL TIDINGS” AGAINST YOU IN ROMANS CHAPTER ONE, VERSE EIGHTEEN, THROUGH CHAPTER THREE, VERSE TWENTY, YOU WILL FIND THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD PREACHING THE “GLAD TIDINGS” IN THE FOLLOWING WORDS OF GOD, FROM ROMANSCHAPTER THREE, VERSES TWENTY FOUR THROUGH TWENTY SIX.
We do. And we see it lived out in the Catholic Church. But you reject the grace of God by rejecting the Church which provides you the grace of God. It is not accident that Scripture says:
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
“Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins th.at are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Those who believe in Jesus, keep the Commandments:
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments
Those who believe in Jesus, receive His Sacraments:
Mark 16:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
If you don't see justification as how God sees it -- then you are lost as the day's light.
That knife cuts both ways. I say it is you who doesn't see how God justifies.
If the Catholic Church wrote a Gospel based on tradition... then according to St.Paul, it is another Gospel and is accursed. (Galatians 1:6, 1:9).
No. It is the Reformers which you follow. And they introduced a another gospel in the 15th century. It is these errors which you follow today.
Observe diligently, what St.Paul under the guidance of Holy Ghost, wrote in Romans 16:25-27, which is the key to understanding and unlocking scripture. It is the key that many cultic religions of the world fail to see.
Let's look at it diligently.
Romans 16:25-27
King James Version (KJV)
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
He mentions "obedience of faith". Without obedience, faith is alone and worthless. What must men obey? The Commandments of God from time immemorial.
St.Paul was given "mystery truth" by revelation which is in operation today. Find out why St.Paul refers to "my gospel" in his epistles (Romans 2:16, 16:25).
If you are insinuating that St. Paul is following his own gospel, you are mistaken. He follows the Gospel of Jesus Christ as does the Church to this day.
I have gone through the Scriptures diligently. And I have shown you the context. It is the Catholic Church which teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the Gospel of St. Paul and the Gospel of the Apostles.
You preach the gospel of those who revolted against the Gospel.
Sincerely,
De Maria
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ReplyDeleteYou are in gross error...
I don't think so.
In Romans 16:25-26, Paul lists 3 requirements
No, he doesn't. You are reading that into the Scripture based upon your tradition of men.
that have to be met
Is that 3 requirements in addition to faith alone?
for the obedience of faith, but you chose to focus on obedience faith part only and ignore the said 3 requirements for the obedience of faith.
Because obedience is necessary. Even if you claim that there are 3 requirements, then one must be obedient in order to keep those 3 requirements.
You haven't fully dealt with Romans 16:25-26.
Yes, I have. You haven't dealt with my response. And you continue to contradict yourself seemingly without any regard to anything that you say.
What is this commandment is Paul talking about? You know why you don't see it? Its because you don't want to see it.
When Paul meant "my gospel" - it is because it was uniquely given to him and is different from what the 12 Apostles preached in the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, John and the earlier part of Acts.
You continue to contradict yourself. You're the one that provided the quote of Galatians 1:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Which means that if St. Paul were giving a different gospel, he would be accursed.
To find out the definition of Paul's "my gospel" the obvious place to look for it is in the 13 epistles he wrote. Paul's Gospel starts in Romans. You won't find Paul's "my gospel" definition in the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, John which are the gospel accounts of Jesus Christ of those apostles/authors. Mathew's Gospel describes Jesus as the King, Mark's Gospel as son of man, John's Gospel as Son of God (John 20:31)
On the contrary, the St. Paul teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no other Gospel. Those who claim there is another gospel are accursed as you rightly pointed out.
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DeleteDo understand that I am not saying that there is more than one gospel.
Yes, you are saying that there is more than one gospel and now you are showing that your word is not God's word because God is not the author of confusion, but your words are confusing.
There is only one Gospel concerning one person the Lord Jesus Christ, however the Gospel messages differs as to what the 12 Apostles preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and even earlier part of Acts to that what Paul calls my gospel. I will give you a small hint: compare Matthew 1:21,10:5-6, 15:21-28, Luke 18:31-34, Matthew 20:28 and and what Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 2:5-6. Two distinct keywords you can glean are "many" and "all".
You continue to make up a new gospel. St. Paul teaches the same Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is no other Gospel.
Mark 1:14
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Romans 1:1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Romans 1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
I won't waste anymore time, but I will point you to some youtube video lessons, where you can listen attentively with a King James Bible in hand. Then you form your own conclusions.
No thanks. You have shown yourself to be a false teacher. I don't want to see any more of your errors.
All the best.
And to you.
Sincerely,
De Maria
Romans 16:25-26 is the only place in the Bible where God gives a commandment on how to be established in the faith. Its the commandment of the everlasting God and you deny it .. which is hypocrisy because you claim Romans 2:13 support.
ReplyDeleteIn Romans 16:25-26, the 3 commandments on how God establishes you in the faith is according to:
(i) my gospel
(ii) The preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery
(iii) the scriptures of the prophets
This is not false teaching, It is bare bones laid out in scripture which you deny because you cannot see it. It is the commandment of the everlasting God. You have broken God's commandment. Breaking of God law or commandment is sin. Sin is transgression of the law.
Anonymous is making a typical Protestant error. He is interpreting the Gospel. The Catholic Church does not interpret the Gospel. She wrote the Gospel based upon the Traditions of Jesus Christ. It is these Traditions which hold the key to understanding Scripture..
This is false teaching. The Gospel is based upon the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest. And this has scriptural support in Romans 16:25-26. Your above statement in bold does not have scriptural support.
AnonymousMay 19, 2014 at 12:07 AM
DeleteRomans 16:25-26 is the only place in the Bible where God gives a commandment on how to be established in the faith. Its the commandment of the everlasting God and you deny it ..
On the contrary, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. It is you who objects to the fact that Scripture says that God justifies those who keep the Law (Rom 2:13). That means that God justifies those who keep His Commandments. Therefore, it is you who deny the Commandments of God. Not I.
which is hypocrisy because you claim Romans 2:13 support.
On the contrary, it is you who is speaking hypocritically. I am the one who said that God expects OBEDIENCE OF FAITH. That means that He expects us to obey ALL His commandments.
In Romans 16:25-26, the 3 commandments on how God establishes you in the faith is according to:
(i) my gospel
St. Paul only teaches one Gospel. The Gospel of Jesus Christ. As I have shown in my previous message to you.
(ii) The preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery
(iii) the scriptures of the prophets
That is Catholic Teaching and that is taught THROUGHOUT the New Testament.
This is not false teaching,
Your denials of Catholic Teaching are certainly false teaching. Your claims that St. Paul teaches something new are certainly false teaching. Your confusion of what St. Paul teaches is certainly false teaching.
It is bare bones laid out in scripture which you deny because you cannot see it.
I can't see it because it isn't in Scripture. It is a cleverly devised fable which you and the Reformers made up.
It is the commandment of the everlasting God. You have broken God's commandment. Breaking of God law or commandment is sin. Sin is transgression of the law.
THAT is Catholic Teaching. And in so saying, you are contradicting the Protestant doctrine that Christians are no longer supposed to keep the traditions.
This is false teaching. The Gospel is based upon the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret since the world began,
That is Catholic Teaching. The Preaching of Jesus Christ are the Traditions which He established and commanded His Church to Teach.
Matthew 28:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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DeleteBut now is made manifest.
Exactly! Did you not know that Jesus is in the Old Testament hidden and in the New revealed?
And this has scriptural support in Romans 16:25-26.
Romans 16:25-26 supports Catholic Doctrine as does the entire Bible, Old Testament and New. Protestants pick out a verse here and there and twist it to fit their traditions of men. But the Catholic Church's Doctrines are supported by the entire Bible.
Your above statement in bold does not have scriptural support.
Sure it does. I'm very surprised that you deny this. But it just goes to show that some people will go to any lengths to advance their false teachings. They will even deny Christ.
First, read Matt 28:19-20 then
Acts 15:35
Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:19-21
King James Version (KJV)
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Is that explicit enough for you?
Sincerely,
De Maria
But now is made manifest.
DeleteExactly! Did you not know that Jesus is in the Old Testament hidden and in the New revealed?
You are confused. This prophecy and not the mystery that was kept secret as mentioned in Romans 16:25-26. Prophecy was revealed in the OT by the prophets concerning Jesus Christ that is the fufillment in the NT. Mystery truth that was kept secret since the world began but was first made known to the Apostle Paul. The other Apostle's got it afterwards. Do you know why it was kept secret? God had to trick satan at calvary. Did you know why Jesus rebuked Peter calling him satan in the Gospels.? Look at Luke 9:43-45 which says "But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not". The 12 Apostles did not perceive what Jesus meant "that the Son of men shall be delivered that is talking about the crucifixion at Calvary Luke 9:44. See what St.Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:8 - Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. The princes of the world is satan and his minions (Herod/Pilate and others involved).God required Christ must go to the cross in humble obedience to the father's will.
AnonymousMay 20, 2014 at 4:23 AM
DeleteYou are confused.
So far, in this discussion, it is you who has proven to be confused.
This prophecy and not the mystery that was kept secret as mentioned in Romans 16:25-26. Prophecy was revealed in the OT by the prophets concerning Jesus Christ that is the fufillment in the NT. Mystery truth that was kept secret since the world began but was first made known to the Apostle Paul.
Without a basic knowledge in the Traditions of Jesus Christ taught by the Catholic Church, you will continue in your blindness.
The mystery hidden from the beginning of time is revealed in these words:
Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Jesus is the Tree of Life. And we receive Him in Holy Communion which was revealed to St. Paul by Jesus:
1 Corinthians 11:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Jesus revealed this mystery, first to the Apostles, then to St. Paul:
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
But you refuse to believe.
The other Apostle's got it afterwards.
Nope. Jesus revealed everything to them, first.
Do you know why it was kept secret?
Yes.
God had to trick satan at calvary.
God is not the author of confusion. Satan, like the Protestants, refused to believe.
Did you know why Jesus rebuked Peter calling him satan in the Gospels.? Look at Luke 9:43-45 which says "But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not". The 12 Apostles did not perceive what Jesus meant "that the Son of men shall be delivered that is talking about the crucifixion at Calvary Luke 9:44.
But they understood at Pentecost. Well before St. Paul was knocked off of his horse.
See what St.Paul says in 1 Corinthians 2:8 - Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Wow! Are you so cynical that you accuse the Apostles of crudifying Jesus Christ? Satan has truly confused your mind.
The princes of the world is satan and his minions (Herod/Pilate and others involved).
But not the Apostles.
God required Christ must go to the cross in humble obedience to the father's will.
That is Catholic Teaching. But Christ also submitted to man's will. Christ obeyed those whom God appointed as leaders:
John 11:49-51
King James Version (KJV)
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Jesus was obedient to the Father and to the Leaders of the Judaic religion which God had established.
This is why obedience is so important to faith. Faith without obedience is dead.
Sincerely,
De Maria
show me where explicitly in the New Testament that the Gospel is based on the traditions of Jesus Christ. Verse reference number pleaae.
ReplyDeleteAnonymousMay 19, 2014 at 5:01 AM
Deleteshow me where explicitly in the New Testament that the Gospel is based on the traditions of Jesus Christ. Verse reference number pleaae.
1 Cor 11
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Ok let's dissect this one by one from scripture itself instead of just clamoring that this is catholic teaching and giving a generalized answer. Let's avoid that denominational slur.
ReplyDeleteQuestion (1): How does St.Paul describe the definition of "my gospel" and where in the New Testament can we pin-point it? (chapter/verse number).
Question (2) Where in scripture can we get exactly what Paul meant by "preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret since the world began but is now made manifest? (chapter/verse number).
AnonymousMay 20, 2014 at 3:57 AM
DeleteOk let's dissect this one by one from scripture itself instead of just clamoring that this is catholic teaching and giving a generalized answer. Let's avoid that denominational slur.
Ok, lets also avoid your loaded questions. You have loaded your questions with your erroneous presuppositions.
Question (1): How does St.Paul describe the definition of "my gospel" and where in the New Testament can we pin-point it? (chapter/verse number).
St. Paul equates his Gospel to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Romans 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
And he is adamant that there is only one Gospel:
Galatians 1:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
And you said so yourself in your confusing way claiming that St. Paul has one Gospel and the Apostles another, and yet that they are one and the same Gospel.
Two statements that contradict each other can not both be true at the same time. Either there is one Gospel or there are two. Make up your mind.
Question (2) Where in scripture can we get exactly what Paul meant by "preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret since the world began but is now made manifest? (chapter/verse number).
Jesus is the Tree of Life. And we receive Him in Holy Communion which was revealed to St. Paul by Jesus:
1 Corinthians 11:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Jesus revealed this mystery, first to the Apostles, then to St. Paul:
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
And you refuse to believe.
Sincerely,
De Maria