Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Big Bang theory


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NoCredo says:
Whatever it is you refer to here is unclear. Besides that : even if you could (note : COULD) prove anything about that ("If it is true"), that does not mean that automatically that proves the second part of your claim , the one of "the Theory of the Big Bang proves the existence of God." Get a training course on logical thinking and argumentation, please.
 
Sure it does. Follow this logic.1. In this world, the evidence shows that everything that has a beginning is made by someone or something.
2. The Big Bang theory says that the universe had a beginning.
3. Therefore, the Universe was made by someone or something.
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A - The theory of the Big Bang does NOT correspond at all with Scripture.
Yes it does. The Big Bang theory says that before the Big Bang there was no time or space. Then suddenly, there was an explosion and the universe was created.

The Bible says:

Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

Psalms 32 9 For he spoke and they were made: he commanded and they were created.

Isaias 42 5 Thus saith the Lord God that created the heavens, and stretched them out:
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Scripture claims there was an always existing entity that created the universe.
Correct.
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The BB Theory does not do that at all.
Correct. And that is where the Big Bang fails in logic. Nothing can be created by nothing. If there was ever a time when nothing existed, something could never exist.

Therefore, something or someone had to exist before all time.
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It does not claim anything prior to the BB. Certainly not an always existing entity.
B - This is NOT a logical conclusion we can derive from the evidence.
It certainly is. Our experience on this earth shows us that everything that had a beginning was made by something or someone. Therefore, since the universe had a beginning, something or someone had to make it.
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C - There is NO evidence for God's existence, nor for God's creation.
Sure is. There is more evidence for God's existence than for His not existing.
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A - The BB Theory does NOT suggest anything about before the BB. The BB Theory starts with the BB.
No, the theory starts with the idea that time and space did not exist. Then the theory says that a singularity appeared in this absence of time and space. Then the theory says that this singularity blew up and the time and space came into existence.

Since there is no evidence of things just coming into being from nothing and the only evidence is that things come into being from other things, then the evidence points to a pre existent being.
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B - You mentioned "nothing" . Please define what you mean with "nothing".
The absence of time and space.
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C - Accordingly to your "logic" something can only come from nothing if God exists and caused it.
Correct.
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This means that - as God existed prior to the BB, there never was nothing. That is a claim. Please support that claim with OSE.
I have supported that claim with the objective evidence that we can observe right now. We see things being created by other things and by people all the time. We never see anything simply appearing out of nothing.

Therefore, the evidence shows that the universe could not have sprung from nothing.

On the other hand, you are not providing any evidence that something can be created by nothing. Please show your evidence.
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D - This also means that God existed prior to the BB. That is a claim. Please support that claim with OSE.
Already did above.
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You draw incorrect conclusions from your own wild claims about the BB Theory based on the existence and powers of a deity of whom neither the existence nor the powers have ever been proved.
But the evidence points to His existence. Where as you have never provided any evidence that He does not exist.
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That is what I call totally I L L O G I C A L !

So far I'm the only one providing any evidence. All you are doing is making denials without any evidence to support your denials.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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