"Penal substitution" says that Jesus Christ drank of the cup of God's wrath SO THAT believers would not have to.
Is this right or wrong? But here's the quote from Mark chapter 10 verse 35-40.
35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire. 36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? 37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. 38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
There are several things to highlight here:
1. If they are drinking of the same cup from which he drinks, in Catholic doctrine, that means they will share his fate.
2. If they are drinking of the same cup from which he drinks and are receiving the same baptism which he receives, that means that they are suffering and dying for the expiation and reparation of the sins of the world.
These are things which penal substitution cannot handle AND which penal substitution completely rejects.
Sincerely,
De Maria
Is this right or wrong? But here's the quote from Mark chapter 10 verse 35-40.
35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire. 36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you? 37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. 38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
There are several things to highlight here:
1. If they are drinking of the same cup from which he drinks, in Catholic doctrine, that means they will share his fate.
2. If they are drinking of the same cup from which he drinks and are receiving the same baptism which he receives, that means that they are suffering and dying for the expiation and reparation of the sins of the world.
These are things which penal substitution cannot handle AND which penal substitution completely rejects.
Sincerely,
De Maria
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