Lutero:
But not by faith alone (James 2: 24). Doers of the Law are justified (Romans 2:13).
Romans 2:13
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13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
James 1:20-23
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20For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
2 Corinthians 5:9-11
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9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Proverbs 24:16
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16For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
What do you think it means?
On the other hand, you keep looking to yourself. You measure your faith as though you could pour it in a cup and say, "Ah, that's enough." Only Christ can see into your soul. Not even you can judge your soul.
We, Catholics, keep our eye on Christ.
You, who believe in saving yourselves by faith alone, keep your eye on self.
Actually I'm right. Who has perfectly obeyed the Law? Not just some, many of the Jews thought that their justification was through keeping the Law. Why do you think that Paul constantly spoke against this idea? Why are you looking to be justified by keeping the Law? How are you any different than these Jews? Difference in style maybe, but same in substance. Works based false gospel.
[quote]I already explained this. Faith that trusts in Christ "alone" for salvation (Ephesians 2:8,9) and faith that remains "alone" in producing good works (James 2:14) is not the same message. The word "alone" in both of these instances is not connected to the same thing. We are saved through faith and not by works, (our faith trusts in Christ alone for salvation and not in our works) yet faith, if it is a genuine living faith, it will be substantiated and confirmed by good works (fruit, by product, demonstrative evidence of our faith). Simple! First comes faith (made alive in Christ, created in Christ Jesus - source of life in our faith - Ephesians 2:5-9) then UNTO good works (Ephesians 2:10). No works demonstrate that we have not placed our faith in Christ for salvation and have not been made alive in Christ.
Faith that works does not remain alone. Faith alone is dead.
God will justify those who have ACTUALLY kept the Law in His eyes.
Let me give an example. I don't precisely know how you do it. But you claim to possess a faith ALONE which has saved you. Somehow, you have justified yourself because you think you believe what Jesus has said and you think therefore that you are keeping the Commandments because you say that all who are saved, do so. But God has the last word. He will see into your heart and judge your faith by your deeds. Irregardless of what you claims you make for yourself.
Now, let's compare the Catholic position. We claim faith. But we don't know how to measure it as you do in order to confidently say, "we are so faithful that we are saved." We however, attempt to show our faith by our works. We don't boast to anyone about how faithful we are. We don't boast about our works. We don't measure our faith or works and say, "God will save me now." We simply go about our business OBEYING GOD. And we leave the business of judging souls to Him.
Genesis 26:5
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5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
The one who will be terribly disappointed is the one who claims to already be saved.
Sincerely,
De Maria
Jesus Christ is the object of our faith. That is why we work. Because He commands it. THIS IS PERFECT De Maria.
ReplyDeleteIn order to show our faith to Jesus Christ we need to exercise this faith by doing works. If I said Jesus I love you but do nothing I ain't go to heaven straight.
Peace.
Peace.
Perfectly correct. Jesus said;
DeleteJohn 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I wish that our Ps brother would be able to read the bible into whole context instead of keep cherry picking verses. They all are ended up confusing themselves.
ReplyDeleteStory about doing work in order to please God it had been started since Noah. He was favor by God because of his righteousness and walked with God. It meant that he wasn't believe or just had faith but doing work. (Genesis chapter 6:8)
Well, I just read the council of Orange . I read it first because of it's name orange. it's good. Faith alone goes to no 7.
I encourage my friends to read church fathers but I never read it .LOL. Any recommendations De Maria.
Peace