Saturday, June 27, 2015

That is a blasphemous way to speak of the Body of Our Lord, have you no conscience?

DS:Great book. Don't expect Catholics to listen, though.
He is correct. We listen to Scripture. Not to those who twist Scripture:
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Their wafer jesus is the center of their religion.
That is a blasphemous way to speak of the Body of Our Lord:

1 Corinthians 11:23-30
King James Version (KJV)
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Sadly, they miss knowing the real Jesus.
Sadly, you miss the real Jesus:
Hebrews 10:25-31
King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Now, lets go over the OP and highlight the contradictions of Scripture.

Quote Originally Posted by lovesgirl01 View Post
If one studies all of John chapter 6, they will discover that it completely REFUTES the RCC version of communion:
Nope. What it does is contradict the Word of God in Scripture.

Jesus could not be clearer—by coming to Him and trusting in Him we will receive eternal life.

Absolutely. And He said:
1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Therefore come to Him and trust in Him and you shall be blest.

At this point in the narrative, the Jews complained about Him because He said: “I am the bread which came down from heaven” (verse 41). Jesus responds to their murmuring in verses 42 through 58, where He states that He is indeed the “living bread” and that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood to obtain eternal life.
This is absolutely true and in line with the Catholic doctrine.

However, let’s remember the context of this statement.

First, Jesus contrasts Himself with the manna that rained down on their fathers and sustained them for their journey. But their fathers have since died. But Jesus now offers Himself as the living bread, causing those who eat of Him to live forever.
Excellent context. 

Jesus compares and contrasts Himself with the manna. He compares Himself with the manna because they are both heavenly bread which must be eaten in order to sustain life. He contrasts Himself because He is the bread of eternal life. Those who ate the manna died. But those who eat Him in the form of bread will live forever.

Jesus is not the perishable manna that their ancestors ate in the wilderness, He is the eternal bread of life that lives forever.
Very good. Still in line with Catholic Teaching.

Only by partaking in His everlasting life can we hope to live with Him forever.
Awesome! At this point you are strongly arguing in favor of the Catholic doctrine.

This contrast strengthens His main message, which is recorded in verse 47 where Jesus says, “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”
Awesome! Unfortunately, you get the wrong understanding.

How can you deny His words and claim to believe in Him? He said:
Mark 14:22
And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

He said:
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

If you deny those words, you reject Him and do not believe in Him.

Notice, Jesus said that as soon as we believe in Him we have—present tense— eternal life.
Because, it follows that if you believe in Him, you will believe His words and eat His Flesh unto eternal life. That is why.

It is not something we aim at or hope we might attain in the future, but rather, something we receive immediately upon believing.

Read John 6:54 again. When we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood we have eternal life. Right then. And we walk upon Mount Sion with the Saints:
Hebrews 12:22-23
King James Version (KJV)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

When Jesus said these words, He was in the synagogue in Capernaum (verse 59), and He had neither bread nor wine.
Since sacrifices of bread and wine (i.e. the Toda or Thanksgiving sacrifice) were frequently given by the Jews, that is a non-sequitur. The best you can say is that the Scripture does not mention whether Jesus had any bread and wine on that occasion.

Therefore Jesus was either commanding cannibalism or He was speaking figuratively.
Jesus was speaking prophetically. Since He was talking about what He would do in the future. He said:

John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

If He was speaking literally, then He would be directly contradicting God the Father: “You shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood” (Genesis 9:4).
That is why He separated the Bread which is His Flesh and the Wine which is His Blood. To signify His death.

Therefore, because Jesus Himself said, “The Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), He must be speaking metaphorically.
It is because the Scripture can not be broken that He is speaking literally. Read the rest of John 6. The disciples understood Him literally and LEFT. He didn't say, "hey, guys, I was just speaking in metaphors. Come back." No. He let them go and even challenged the Apostles to leave.

And that is exactly how He explains His own words in the subsequent verses.

On the contrary. But I'll show you your error.

After this, in verse 60, we find that many of His disciples said—“This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” Jesus was aware of their complaints and He responded in verses 61 through 64 saying—“Does this offend you? What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Listen to Him. But don't miss the details.

Jesus said, "THE flesh" profits nothing. The flesh is sinful. That is why it profits nothing. Are you insinuating that Jesus is sinful? Jesus' flesh died on the Cross. Jesus flesh avails to our eternal life. Therefore understand that His words are Spirit and life because they are true. Obey Him and eat of His Flesh and drink of His Blood and be saved.

(ch 4 Another Jesus, Roger Oakland)

Herein lies the problem of cherry picking a few verses without studying the whole chapter.
Yea. Roger Oakland has a major problem in that area. And so do you if you believe him.


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