Tuesday, July 14, 2015

And faith must first change you into a person who will work in love BEFORE it will save you.

TS, a Protestant, posted an excerpt of Pope Benedict XVI's writings to defend faith alone.
TS:  On the journey we are making under St Paul's guidance, let us now reflect on a topic at the centre of the controversies of the century of the Reformation: the question of justification. How does man become just in God's eyes? 
It is precisely because of this personal experience of relationship with Jesus Christ that Paul henceforth places at the centre of his Gospel an irreducible opposition between the two alternative paths to justice: one built on the works of the Law, the other founded on the grace of faith in Christ. The alternative between justice by means of works of the Law and that by faith in Christ thus became one of the dominant themes that run through his Letters: 
yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law; because by works of the law no one will be justified" (Gal 2: 15-16). And to the Christians of Rome he reasserts that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus" (Rm 3: 23-24). And he adds "we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law" . 
"For this reason Luthers's phrase: "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love"
I agree with everything Pope Benedict said. Remember that he is the one who teaches faith and works. That is what he means when he says "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love". All you have to do is read a bit further:

For this reason Luther's phrase: "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love. Faith is looking at Christ, entrusting oneself to Christ, being united to Christ, conformed to Christ, to his life. And the form, the life of Christ, is love; hence to believe is to conform to Christ and to enter into his love. So it is that in the Letter to the Galatians in which he primarily developed his teaching on justification St Paul speaks of faith that works through love (cf. Gal 5: 14).
Do you agree that we are saved by faith which works through love? If you do, then you have accepted the Catholic doctrine.

Jesus plus nothing equals everything
But we're not talking about adding anything to Jesus. We're talking about adding works of love to faith:
2 Peter 1:5
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

Virtues are works of love.

there is no such thing as faith that is opposed to charitythere is no such thing as faith that is opposed to charitythere is no such thing as faith that is opposed to charity
Then why does St. Paul warn against it?
1 Corinthians 13:2

King James Version (KJV)

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

"For this reason Luther's phrase: "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love"


-BENEDICT XVIThere is no such thing as a saving faith which does not lead to good works. (if you live: i.e. the thief on the cross)
Saving faith includes good works. Dead faith does not.

The Pope's "if" statement is meaningless because True faith is never opposed to faith in charity, in love.
Not all faith is true faith. Therefore, the Pope's statement is right on the money. As Scripture says:
James 2:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

an analogy:
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of course true faith includes charity, in love 
If your faith doesn't change you, then your faith doesn't save you.
And faith must first change you into a person who will work in love BEFORE it will save you.


De Maria


  1. I noticed TS didn't high-lite the most important sentence from Pope Em. Benedict's words, that being THE VERY LAST SENTENCE.

    He/she simply highlighted the Scriptural passages as if they were telling the true content of what Benedict was trying to say. It's not.

    See why we Catholics have to double check the sources produced by some Protestants?

    God Bless

    1. They do that with everything. They cherry pick verses from the Early Church Fathers which say "faith alone" but neglect the ones that say, "faith and works".

    2. Speaking of "cherry picking" ECF....

      Turrentinfan has posted an interesting blog attacking (I believe) an article by Dave Armstrong, in which he claims to have evidence that Augustine's Sermon 208 doesn't contain the words "Mother of God". So far, I have not found anything to dispute this but what I have found is that there are multiple sites that have "categorized" Augustine's works differently.

      I've found the book that turrentinfan claims to have used and I can't find the substitute sermon he claims (208a). In fact, I can't find that sermon number anywhere and I'm wondering where he got that. He is also claiming that Catholics claim St. Augustine wrote that for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception but I know that isn't correct either. He's distorting truth but revealing half-truths at the same time.

    3. Yep. TF does it all the time and when he's disproved, he simply shrugs.


      TF denies that this reference is not authentic. Who are we to believe, Ancient Catholics who lived much closer to St. Augustine's time? Or a modern anti-Catholic who denies ANY Catholic Doctrine was espoused by the early Christians?

      Also, what's his point? That one early Church Father never used the term "Mother of God"? Did he simply ditch all the others?

      What does he do with the Council of Ephesus?

    4. Well, I'm responding to Ken Temple's bogus accusations over at Dave Armstrong's site. I've asked Ken for TF to provide the names of any forensic librarians, accredited historians, linguistic scholars, or any qualified individuals who can give credence to this claim.

      I also pointed out the Scripture itself, calls Mary The Mother of God when St. Elizabeth asks her question to Mary. Of course, his argument is that "it doesn't say God and doesn't say anything about Mary's divinity"....sigghhhhhh.. Amazing how the anti-Catholics just won't listen to what the Church REALLY teaches, as opposed to what they "think" she teaches.

      Their sole source of what they "think" the Catholic Church teaches is the examples and responses of bad and ignorant Catholics.

      The time has come that Our Faith be tried and tested.

      God Bless and keep "fighting the good fight"

    5. I searched for it but couldn't find the discussion. Can you provide a link?

    6. http://socrates58.blogspot.com/

      The discussion is under the very first posting PROVING THE CATHOLIC FAITH IS BIBLICAL. It's a promo for Dave's book. You'll see 16 comments way down below.

      I've found some sources and I'm going to prove TF never even bothered to verify and simply made assumptions.

    7. Thanks. Found it, here.

      You made a good point. I tried to corral him a bit to address your argument.

    8. Thanks. I'm stills searching for St. Augustine's quote but I'm finding EARLIER Church Fathers who said it nearly two hundred years before Augustine!

      I just can't believe that TF never even mentioned when the doctrine was established, which would have proven the point itself! What's wrong with these people?


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