The Query response continues:
That is false. Jesus is God and Jesus died. Here's the logical syllogism.
1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus died on the Cross.
3. God died on the Cross.
But again, what does death mean?
Spirits are said to die when they are separated from God. But that is not true death, just a manner of speaking. They in fact, continue to exist, they are not exitinguished. And since spirit is a synonym for life that means they continue to live.
Only physical bodies die. And they die only when their animating spirits no longer animate their bodies. But their spirits are not extinguished. Therefore, when someone or something dies, it is because their spirit no longer animates their bodies. But the spirit continues to exist. It is not extinguished and therefore continues to live.
God, the Supreme Spirit, is never extinguished. God is eternal.
Therefore, when we logically deduce that God died on the Cross, we mean that Jesus' human body was no longer animated by His Spirit. But His Spirit was never extinguished.
Jesus is either God or He is a liar or a maniac. Anyone who has ever read the Scriptures knows that Jesus claimed to be God. One example will suffice:
John 8 58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.
And Jesus provided the evidence to prove that He is God by raising the dead, healing the sick, multiplying the fish and the loaves and turning water to wine. These things were testified by many witnesses. And His followers, many of them could also perform such miracles as he empowered them to perform.
So, if Jesus was simply a man as you claim and he was killed on the cross. Then his sacrifice amounted to a mad man or a liar who died for a lie. And the sacrifice does not atone for all the sins of humanity.
But, If Jesus is God as He claimed and proved by His miracles, then His sacrifice on the Cross amounts to exactly what Scripture says it does:
Isaias 53 5 But he was wounded for our iniquities, he was bruised for our sins: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed.
And these Old Testament prophecies can only refer to one person:
Wisdom 2 12 Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraideth us with transgressions of the law, and divulgeth against us the sins of our way of life. 13 He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself the son of God. 14 He is become a censurer of our thoughts. 15 He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, and his ways are very different.
16 We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness, and he preferreth the latter end of the just, and glorieth that he hath God for his father. 17 Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. 18 For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. 19 Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. 20 Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words.
John 11 49 But one of them, named Caiphas, being the high priest that year, said to them: You know nothing. 50 Neither do you consider that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this he spoke not of himself: but being the high priest of that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation. 52 And not only for the nation, but to gather together in one the children of God, that were dispersed. 53 From that day therefore they devised to put him to death.
John 18 14 Now Caiphas was he who had given the counsel to the Jews: That it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
John 15 13 Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
The Jews decided to sacrifice Jesus for the good of the people and Jesus honoring the Jewish authority permitted this to happen:
Matthew 23 2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. 3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
Jesus obeyed unto death.
And God revealed even in the Old Testament that He didn't want sacrifices:
Jeremias 6 19 Hear, O earth: Behold I will bring evils upon this people, the fruits of their own thoughts: because they have not heard my words, and they have cast away my law. 20 To what purpose do you bring me frankincense from Saba, and the sweet smelling cane from a far country? Your holocausts are not acceptable, nor are your sacrifices pleasing to me.
God wants a contrite heart and a humble spirit. That is the sacrifice He has always wanted:
Jeremias 7 22 For I spoke not to your fathers, and I commanded them not, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offerings and sacrifices. 23 But this thing I commanded them, saying: Hearken to my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people: and walk ye in all the way that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear: but walked in their own will, and in the perversity of their wicked heart: and went backward and not forward, 25 From the day that their fathers came out of the land of Egypt, even to this day. And I have sent to you all my servants the prophets from day to day, rising up early and sending.
And it is Jesus who offered the perfect sacrifice:
Romans 12 1 I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercy of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing unto God, your reasonable service.
And we are to follow in His steps:
Matthew 16 24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
1 Peter 2 21 For unto this are you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example that you should follow his steps.
continued
Sincerely,
De Maria
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Answer B) is:
If you say "The God nature left Jesus" then you are essentially saying that God did NOT die, and the death of Jesus was no important sacrifice at all. A human man was tortured for a weekend and died. How is this supposed to atone for all the sins of humanity?
Not to mention that human sacrifice is explicitly forbidden by Torah, and the manner of death runs afoul of at least a dozen laws regarding kosher sin sacrifice: The death wasn't by kosher shecht (slaughter), the offering was not made at the Temple, the offering wasn't
Made by Temple priests, the body wasn't without physical blemish, etc. This makes Christianity a religion based upon an unkosher, human sacrifice.
If you say "The God nature left Jesus" then you are essentially saying that God did NOT die,
That is false. Jesus is God and Jesus died. Here's the logical syllogism.
1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus died on the Cross.
3. God died on the Cross.
But again, what does death mean?
Spirits are said to die when they are separated from God. But that is not true death, just a manner of speaking. They in fact, continue to exist, they are not exitinguished. And since spirit is a synonym for life that means they continue to live.
Only physical bodies die. And they die only when their animating spirits no longer animate their bodies. But their spirits are not extinguished. Therefore, when someone or something dies, it is because their spirit no longer animates their bodies. But the spirit continues to exist. It is not extinguished and therefore continues to live.
God, the Supreme Spirit, is never extinguished. God is eternal.
Therefore, when we logically deduce that God died on the Cross, we mean that Jesus' human body was no longer animated by His Spirit. But His Spirit was never extinguished.
Quote:That is also false.
and the death of Jesus was no important sacrifice at all. A human man was tortured for a weekend and died. How is this supposed to atone for all the sins of
Humanity?
Jesus is either God or He is a liar or a maniac. Anyone who has ever read the Scriptures knows that Jesus claimed to be God. One example will suffice:
John 8 58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.
And Jesus provided the evidence to prove that He is God by raising the dead, healing the sick, multiplying the fish and the loaves and turning water to wine. These things were testified by many witnesses. And His followers, many of them could also perform such miracles as he empowered them to perform.
So, if Jesus was simply a man as you claim and he was killed on the cross. Then his sacrifice amounted to a mad man or a liar who died for a lie. And the sacrifice does not atone for all the sins of humanity.
But, If Jesus is God as He claimed and proved by His miracles, then His sacrifice on the Cross amounts to exactly what Scripture says it does:
Isaias 53 5 But he was wounded for our iniquities, he was bruised for our sins: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed.
And these Old Testament prophecies can only refer to one person:
Wisdom 2 12 Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraideth us with transgressions of the law, and divulgeth against us the sins of our way of life. 13 He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself the son of God. 14 He is become a censurer of our thoughts. 15 He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, and his ways are very different.
16 We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness, and he preferreth the latter end of the just, and glorieth that he hath God for his father. 17 Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. 18 For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. 19 Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. 20 Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words.
Quote:That is correct. Therefore the Jews violated the commandment of God when they used the Roman soldiers to murder Jesus on the Cross.
Not to mention that human sacrifice is explicitly forbidden by Torah,
John 11 49 But one of them, named Caiphas, being the high priest that year, said to them: You know nothing. 50 Neither do you consider that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this he spoke not of himself: but being the high priest of that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation. 52 And not only for the nation, but to gather together in one the children of God, that were dispersed. 53 From that day therefore they devised to put him to death.
John 18 14 Now Caiphas was he who had given the counsel to the Jews: That it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
Quote:
and the manner of death runs afoul of at least a dozen laws regarding kosher sin sacrifice: The death wasn't by kosher shecht (slaughter), the offering was not made at the Temple, the offering wasn't made by Temple priests, the body wasn't without physical blemish, etc. This makes Christianity a religion based upon an unkosher, human sacrifice.Not so. It is on the Cross that Jesus fulfilled the entire Jewish law. It is on the Cross that the shortcomings of the Jewish law of works are highlighted. The Christian religion is based upon a higher standard than the Jewish religion. Because it is based on the law of love.
John 15 13 Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
The Jews decided to sacrifice Jesus for the good of the people and Jesus honoring the Jewish authority permitted this to happen:
Matthew 23 2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. 3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
Jesus obeyed unto death.
And God revealed even in the Old Testament that He didn't want sacrifices:
Jeremias 6 19 Hear, O earth: Behold I will bring evils upon this people, the fruits of their own thoughts: because they have not heard my words, and they have cast away my law. 20 To what purpose do you bring me frankincense from Saba, and the sweet smelling cane from a far country? Your holocausts are not acceptable, nor are your sacrifices pleasing to me.
God wants a contrite heart and a humble spirit. That is the sacrifice He has always wanted:
Jeremias 7 22 For I spoke not to your fathers, and I commanded them not, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offerings and sacrifices. 23 But this thing I commanded them, saying: Hearken to my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people: and walk ye in all the way that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear: but walked in their own will, and in the perversity of their wicked heart: and went backward and not forward, 25 From the day that their fathers came out of the land of Egypt, even to this day. And I have sent to you all my servants the prophets from day to day, rising up early and sending.
And it is Jesus who offered the perfect sacrifice:
Romans 12 1 I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercy of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing unto God, your reasonable service.
And we are to follow in His steps:
Matthew 16 24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
1 Peter 2 21 For unto this are you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example that you should follow his steps.
continued
Sincerely,
De Maria
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