On another blog, I'm having an interesting debate with some Protestants. I thought it was important enough to post here. Let me know how you would answer that question. I've erased all the messages that are not to the point.
That's it so far. But what do you guys think? Is the justification of Abraham equal to the justification we receive in the New Testament?
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Eric W said,
November 1, 2014 at 8:56 am
So, what was the promise that Scripture says they didn’t receive?
…for He has prepared a city for them. (Heb.11:16) Even this city, or general assembly, is not fully realized and it waits for the consummation. All of us wait for a new heavens and earth of resurrected bodies.
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whose transgressions are FORGIVEN,
whose sins are COVERED.
Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”
Eric W said,
Soooo? Are you saying that neither they nor we have received the promise? No one has received the promise?
Yes, no one received the promised of the New H&E or resurrected bodies. Jesus is the first fruits of the resurrection.
roberty bob said,
God’s promise to prepare a city [Hebrews 11:16] has come true; a city has been prepared, and the faithful participate in its worship and life.
De Maria said,
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New International Version
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
New International Version
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
De Maria said,
We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”
Eric W said,
But, if I understand you correctly, you seem to be saying that we have not received the Holy Spirit. Do you deny the Scripture?
I’m happy to clear it up. Act 2 & 10 are about NT believers receiving this:
God makes us first fruits of the Spirit, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. He is also a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession–to the praise of his glory
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for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power.
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De Maria said,
The Holy Spirit is in the Son. But the Son is not the Holy Spirit.
Spirit of Christ