Tuesday, April 16, 2013

From a discussion on the Mass

  1. Christians Truth said...
    My reply: Philip explained to the eunuch. He had never heard of the scriptures before. It took the eunuch how long to learn? If you think this supports going to the Catholic Mass once a week or suffer a mortal sin, then you are ludicrous. 

    It didn't take the Eunuch long to learn ONCE he was taught by the Church. But what does Scripture say about someone reading Scripture without a teacher:
    Acts 8:29Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

    My reply: It is not a “Tradition” in the way Catholics teach, CATHOLICS TEACH TRADITION TO BE THINGS NOT WRITTEN DOWN, BUT RATHER, ORALLY TAUGHT.

    Lol! Why do you make things up about the Catholic Church? If you actually understood the Catholic Church, you would be able to produce the actual teachings and argue against them. But instead, you hate the Church so much, you simply make things up and argue against the things you make up. The Catholic Church teaches that the ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT is from Tradition. Here is the teaching from the Catechism:

    83 The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus' teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. The first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition.

    As for you asking me if I break bread with other believers, of course. Why have you not answered to me how you keep Jesus’ command in call no one ‘father?’ 

    I did, several times. And you may break bread, but you do not discern the Body of our Lord in the Bread or the Cup.

My reply: The Church is true believers.

    The Church is also the hierarchy which Jesus sent into the Church to build it up:

    1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    The Catholic religion does not teach the truth, so how do you think this means your religion?

    The Catholic Church teaches the fullness of the Truth. Some of you believe some things that are true. I hope that you believe that Jesus is God. But many of you, don't. Take for instance, the Jehovahs. Some of you believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ when you break bread, such as the Lutherans. But some of you, such as Evangelicals, don't. You're a mixed bag. You care little about the doctrine which saves:

    1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
    Everyone of you makes up your own doctrines and teaches that.

    My reply: Again, the Catholic Church is not whom this is about, for this is about true worshipers of the Bible times. Tell me De Maria, have you ever even done this what Jesus says? Do you know anyone who has a brother who has sinned against them, who ultimately took him to the Catholic Church to have the brother corrected and made to feel shameful to win him over? You use the scriptures to try to support your false Church; however, you do not even do what you say you believe the scriptures say.

    I'm trying to do this now, with you. I am also aware that it was done several times in history. A famous case is the debate between two Bishops, Athanasius and Arius. Athanasius and Arius went to the Church to settle their dispute. They both claimed the Holy Spirit, as you and I both do. And they both used Scripture to defend their conclusions, as you and I also do. Arius was condemned as a heretic.


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    Christians Truth said:
    My reply: In the Bible times, they had the Apostles writing and teaching the words of God for the first time, these words are now what we see in the Bible. It is good for man to study together, but it is not a mortal sin not to go to the Catholic Church once a week.

    That is really funny. You didn't even read the Scripture. Let me help you:
    Hebrews 10
     1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect…..

    First he tells us that the Old Testament is only a shadow of the New. Believe it or not, some of you non-Catholics who don't listen to the Church, actually say that the Old Testament is more important. I thought I would start here in order to make sure you understand, the OLD TESTAMENT is only a shadow of the NEW.

    Let's skip down to the stuff we are talking about, whether it is a mortal sin to miss the Mass.

     25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    Now he tells us not to forsake our assembly because he has heard that some are doing so.

     26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    He describes it as a willful sin. And we should not sin willfully because that means we are rejecting the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross for our sins.

     27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    We have become adversaries by doing so and God's judgment will devour us.

     28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

    Notice here, in the Old Testament, if a man missed the gathering, he was stoned to death! What is more important, the OT or the NT? What is more important, our bodily death or our spiritual death?

     29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Do you not understand that those who willfully miss the Mass and never repent are going to die the spiritual death! They have walked all over the Body of Christ which hung on the Cross for their salvation and they have cast the Blood of the Lord aside as though it were an unholy thing! They have turned against the Spirit of God's Grace.

    It is not a sin not to get together. Your religion condemns people for not going to a place that will be condemned, how ironic. The Bible says there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, yet to have the priest tell everyone they are committing a mortal sin and will be condemned if not repented of is evil. There is no such command from Jesus that says it is a mortal sin not to gather. That is a lie. 

    The Scripture is clear.

    My reply: Catholics teach against the Truth! I show you from the Bible, yet you still do not believe.

    On the contrary, I am showing you from the Bible and you still don't believe.

    De Maria

  3. Christians Truth said...
    My reply: There is no such teachings from Jesus that the Catholics do, only teachings against what the Catholics do.

    I will let reasonable people judge between you and I. I have provided the Scripture, you simply provide denials.

    My reply: Bible means ‘book.’

    The word "Bible" is not in the original Scripture. It is an English word and the original Scriptures were not written in English.

    My reply: Not in ANY language do the scriptures say what Catholics teach and practice. 

    Again, I'll let reasonable people decide between you and I. I am showing you from Scripture, you simply deny.

    I said: My point is that the word Mass does not have to be written explicitly in Scripture for me to see the Mass therein described.


You replied: There is nowhere the description in the Bible what the Catholics teach, only what we are not supposed to do!

    It is everywhere, you simply deny the Word of God.

    My reply: Did not Moses himself make the bronze snake? Did not people live when they looked at the bronze snake? Was not the bronze snake destroyed because the Israelites burned incense to it? I understand the Catholic religion; the Catholic religion goes against the word of God, and they do this claiming they only look as if they are sinning, that they really have a good reason for doing what they are doing. Do NOT incense material objects! That in itself is a form of worship. Do you not think the Israelites KNEW about God? Do you not think the Israelites KNEW Moses made the bronze snake? Think!

    It is you who needs to think. WHOM does that brazen Serpent represent?
    John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    Do you have pictures of your family anywhere? Those are images, just like any statue. And if you adorn them with flowers or fancy woodwork, you must also worship them.

    But we know the difference between stone or wood and ALLMIGHTY GOD. Apparently, you don't.

    My reply: That would be funny, except it is too serious a falseness to laugh.

    It is absolutely true. The Catholic Church wrote the New Testament and codified the New and the Old together in the Bible.

    My reply: Oh no, the Catholic Mass is not a gathering to hear the truth; the Catholic Mass is a place where blasphemies of all kinds are committed. You have up front a priest whom parishioners call ‘father.’

    1 Cor 4:15

    You have statues all over that the parishioners bow. You have the priest incensing the “Holy Images” and bowing to them at the altar.

    Numbers 21:8;19

    You have the priest claiming he can turn the wafer into the real body of Christ, and the wine into the real blood of Jesus.

    Luke 22:19

    You have prayers to Mary 

    Luke 1:48

    and other Catholic “Saints.” 

    Matt 10:40

    No, the Catholic Mass is nothing like the gatherings of the true believers in the Bible 

    The Catholic Mass is the gathering of True Believers.


My reply: I would not step foot again in such an evil place as the Catholic Church.

    May God forgive you:
    Hebrews 10:
    29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
     30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
     31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


    De Maria

  4. Christians Truth said...
    De Maria,

I would love to continue debating you on your blog; however, one blog of mine that I want you to read and then post your defense. The name of the post I want to discuss with you is Catholic Influence Part 2 Pictures. Here is the link: 



    De Maria

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