Analysis of a Conversion at Catholic 365

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Sincerely,

De Maria

If you want to be saved, you must suffer with Christ. That's in Scripture.

VG: I am sorry but that would be your religion that teaches you can atone for sins through suffering.

Let's read the Scripture:

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

You must have conveniently forgot that tidbit. I'm not surprised.

You have been misled by the Protestant traditions of men. Read more:
Romans 8:17

King James Version (KJV)
¹⁷ And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Matthew 16:24

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²⁴ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Christians can fall away. And those who have rejected the Church of Christ have fallen away

DS:No Christians can leave or be outside of the church since we are the church.

Christians can fall away. And those who have rejected the Church of Christ have fallen away from the Church and Christ.

1 Timothy 1:18-20
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18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

2 Peter 2:21-22
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21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

You don't know what the church is or how one enters it so there's a good chance that you're not in it just like most of your deceived fellow Catholics who believe the false gospel you've been taught.

It is totally the reverse. It is you who possibly are not in the Church since you deny Baptism:

Mark 16:16
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16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

False gospels don't save.

The Protestant gospel is a false gospel.

No salvation = not in Christ's church.

Exactly.

Salvation = automatic immediate entrance into Christ's church.

Perfectly true. But you are not the Judge of your salvation. God is:

1 Corinthians 4:4
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4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

We will all stand before the Judgement seat of Christ. Including you:
Romans 14:10
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10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Where you will be judged according to your works:
Revelation 22:12-15

King James Version (KJV)
¹² And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
¹³ I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
¹⁴ Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
¹⁵ For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Sincerely,

De Maria

The Sacraments are all described in Scripture

LG: There are too many defects in your sacraments to put them all into one post.

If there were any at all, you would have mentioned at least one. But there are none, so you pretend.

Least of all that they are done by priests which are also not scriptural.

They are all in accordance with Scripture.

I have already addressed confirmation which is completely demonic.

You have addressed nothing but your errors. Here is the Sacrament of Confirmation in Scripture:

Acts 8:14-17

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¹⁴ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
¹⁵ Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
¹⁶ (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
¹⁷ Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

I don't have time now to write essays on the other 6 wrongs of your church.

The Catholic Church is infallible and has no wrongs. The Protestant Churches have 666 wrongs and more.

You also have not explained to me why you don't follow God's commandment to not bow in front of graven images when you say prayers to what the images represent.

Because that is not what God commanded. God did not want graven images worshipped as idols. We don't worship idols.

Do not quote me scripture for that because there is NO scripture that goes against what God says. God does not contradict Himself.

There is no Scripture that goes against what God said. But Protestant doctrine frequently goes against what God said.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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That is a blasphemous way to speak of the Body of Our Lord, have you no conscience?

DS:Great book. Don't expect Catholics to listen, though.

He is correct. We listen to Scripture. Not to those who twist Scripture:
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Their wafer jesus is the center of their religion.

That is a blasphemous way to speak of the Body of Our Lord:

1 Corinthians 11:23-30
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23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:


24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.


25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.


26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.


28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.


29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Sadly, they miss knowing the real Jesus.

Sadly, you miss the real Jesus:
Hebrews 10:25-31
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25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,


27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:


29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Now, lets go over the OP and highlight the contradictions of Scripture.

 Originally Posted by lovesgirl01 

If one studies all of John chapter 6, they will discover that it completely REFUTES the RCC version of communion:

Nope. What it does is contradict the Word of God in Scripture.

Jesus could not be clearer—by coming to Him and trusting in Him we will receive eternal life.

Absolutely. And He said:
1 Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Therefore come to Him and trust in Him and you shall be blest.

At this point in the narrative, the Jews complained about Him because He said: “I am the bread which came down from heaven” (verse 41). Jesus responds to their murmuring in verses 42 through 58, where He states that He is indeed the “living bread” and that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood to obtain eternal life.

This is absolutely true and in line with the Catholic doctrine.

However, let’s remember the context of this statement.

First, Jesus contrasts Himself with the manna that rained down on their fathers and sustained them for their journey. But their fathers have since died. But Jesus now offers Himself as the living bread, causing those who eat of Him to live forever.

Excellent context. 

Jesus compares and contrasts Himself with the manna. He compares Himself with the manna because they are both heavenly bread which must be eaten in order to sustain life. He contrasts Himself because He is the bread of eternal life. Those who ate the manna died. But those who eat Him in the form of bread will live forever.

Jesus is not the perishable manna that their ancestors ate in the wilderness, He is the eternal bread of life that lives forever.

Very good. Still in line with Catholic Teaching.

Only by partaking in His everlasting life can we hope to live with Him forever.

Awesome! At this point you are strongly arguing in favor of the Catholic doctrine.

This contrast strengthens His main message, which is recorded in verse 47 where Jesus says, “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”

Awesome! Unfortunately, you get the wrong understanding.

How can you deny His words and claim to believe in Him? He said:
Mark 14:22
And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

He said:
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

If you deny those words, you reject Him and do not believe in Him.

Notice, Jesus said that as soon as we believe in Him we have—present tense— eternal life.

Because, it follows that if you believe in Him, you will believe His words and eat His Flesh unto eternal life. That is why.

It is not something we aim at or hope we might attain in the future, but rather, something we receive immediately upon believing.

Read John 6:54 again. When we eat His Flesh and drink His Blood we have eternal life. Right then. And we walk upon Mount Sion with the Saints:
Hebrews 12:22-23
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22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,


23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

When Jesus said these words, He was in the synagogue in Capernaum (verse 59), and He had neither bread nor wine.

Since sacrifices of bread and wine (i.e. the Toda or Thanksgiving sacrifice) were frequently given by the Jews, that is a non-sequitur. The best you can say is that the Scripture does not mention whether Jesus had any bread and wine on that occasion.

Therefore Jesus was either commanding cannibalism or He was speaking figuratively.

Jesus was speaking prophetically. Since He was talking about what He would do in the future. He said:

John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

If He was speaking literally, then He would be directly contradicting God the Father: “You shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood” (Genesis 9:4).

That is why He separated the Bread which is His Flesh and the Wine which is His Blood. To signify His death.

Therefore, because Jesus Himself said, “The Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), He must be speaking metaphorically.

It is because the Scripture can not be broken that He is speaking literally. Read the rest of John 6. The disciples understood Him literally and LEFT. He didn't say, "hey, guys, I was just speaking in metaphors. Come back." No. He let them go and even challenged the Apostles to leave.

And that is exactly how He explains His own words in the subsequent verses.

On the contrary. But I'll show you your error.

After this, in verse 60, we find that many of His disciples said—“This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” Jesus was aware of their complaints and He responded in verses 61 through 64 saying—“Does this offend you? What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Listen to Him. But don't miss the details.

Jesus said, "THE flesh" profits nothing. The flesh is sinful. That is why it profits nothing. Are you insinuating that Jesus is sinful? Jesus' flesh died on the Cross. Jesus flesh avails to our eternal life. Therefore understand that His words are Spirit and life because they are true. Obey Him and eat of His Flesh and drink of His Blood and be saved.

(ch 4 Another Jesus, Roger Oakland)

Herein lies the problem of cherry picking a few verses without studying the whole chapter.

Yea. Roger Oakland has a major problem in that area. And so do you if you believe him.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Protestants! Read all of Scripture! Scripture doesn't contradict Itself!

PG:Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Yea. Did you not read in Scripture?

Hebrews 10:25-31

King James Version (KJV)
²⁵ Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
²⁶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
²⁷ But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
²⁸ He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
²⁹ Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
³⁰ For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
³¹ It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is where you find Jesus. In the Eucharist. If you reject Him there, you bring upon yourself your condemnation:
1 Corinthians 11:29-30

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²⁹ For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
³⁰ For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Sincerely,

De Maria

However, any Protestant doctrine which disagrees with Catholic doctrine also disagrees with Scripture.

DA:Yes, there are. You are misled and deceived. When you can lay down a Catholic doctrine before a Catholic and place it next to Scripture that doesn't agree and the Catholic still will not believe the Bible instead, they are blind and deceived.

All Catholic doctrine agrees with Scripture. However, any Protestant doctrine which disagrees with Catholic doctrine also disagrees with Scripture. Here are two quick examples of such.

Faith alone. Scripture says:
James 2:24
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24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Protestants reject Tradition. Scripture says:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
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15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

You've turned YOUR back on the true Jesus by worshiping a man created piece of dough and treating it as deith.

The Eucharist is the Body of Christ:
1 Corinthians 11:24-28
King James Version (KJV)
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

You have turned your back on Jesus by trampling on His Body and rejecting the Spirit of Grace which saves you:
Hebrews 10:25-31
King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

That is called idolatry and Catholics are guilty. Period.

Rejecting the Body of Christ is a form of Blasphemy which will lead to spiritual death. And Protestants are guilty:

John 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

1 Cor 11:
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


Sincerely,

De Maria

The Eucharist, it is the Body of Christ

TG:Turning our backs on a bread wafer

The Eucharist is not a bread wafer, it is the Body of Christ:

1 Corinthians 11:24-28

King James Version (KJV)
²⁴ And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
²⁵ After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
²⁶ For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
²⁷ Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
²⁸ But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

is not forsaking Jesus.

Anyone who rejects the Eucharist, tramples underfoot the Body of Christ and rejects the Spirit of Grace.

Hebrews 10:25-31

King James Version (KJV)
²⁵ Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
²⁶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
²⁷ But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
²⁸ He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
²⁹ Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
³⁰ For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
³¹ It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We just got with God's TRUTH.

No. Protestants who reject the Eucharist have been deceived by the Enemy.

Sincerely,

De Maria