Saved by grace in the Sacraments - 8

 

De Maria

1 day ago

JB,

On the contrary, see Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness _which we have done_, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Notice that we have already done the works of righteousness before we are saved. Notice how this lines up with Matt 25:31-46. It is the sheep who have done the works of righteousness. They are saved. It is the goats which have not done any good works, they are condemned. But the sheep are not saved by their works of righteousness. We can't save ourselves. God saves those who obey His Word. Put it like this. Say a ship is sinking. The Coast Guard comes and says, line up on this side and we will save you. But some say, "I'll line up where ever I want. You don't have any authority over me!" Others line up and are saved. By "lining up" in obedience to the command, they did the works allowed them to be saved.

If no one keeps the Commandments, Christ truly did die in vain

FH:They were righteous by faith as are all of His sheep....walking in the commandments and ordinances didn't make them righteous....

That is a false dichotomy. They kept the Commandments because of their faith. That means they were justified, (i.e. imputed righteous) because of their faith AND WORKS (i.e. keeping the Commandments).

No kidding......and no one repetents until God grants them repentance....

That is Catholic Teaching.

doesn't negate the fact that salvation of a SINNER is by grace through faith,

But not by faith ALONE.

not by them keeping the law.

Scripture is clear:
Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 2:24

King James Version (KJV)
²⁴ Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

No one keeps the commandments....otherwise Christ died in vain.

If no one keeps the Commandments, then Christ truly died in vain. Christ died in order that those who believe in Him might be saved by keeping the Commandments and thus uniting themselves with Him in love:
John 14:21

King James Version (KJV)
²¹ He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

The righteous are sinners....

Repentant sinners.

are you now sinless?

God knows.

Wrong.....it is is THE SAVED who obey...they CAN'T begin to do so until they are saved....

Scripture says:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
If you want to turn God's word topsy turvy, you have received your reward.

this is how little you know of what it means to be a new creation in Christ.

A new creation in Christ obeys His Will:
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

You already said it did.

I said that God saves those who keep the Law. Big difference.

Nope, God saved by grace through faith....not by keeping the law....you need some serious theology lessons, because you have no discernment of God's word whatsoever.

You need to read the Bible with understanding:
Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The law never saved a soul and never will....

but God saves those who keep the Law and condemns those who do not.

nor was it meant to....it is our tutor....salvation is by grace through faith...

But not by faith alone.

Establish means to hold up, it doesn't mean we are able to keep it....

Yeah, it does, by God's grace, we are able to keep the Law.

That is a bold faced lie....we ALWAYS say that faith produces good works, and those works evidence our faith/salvation.....

That is the Catholic Teaching of faith and works which Protestants reject.

God doesn't grant His children dead faith.

Therefore only those who have faith accompanied by works are saved. Because faith ALONE is dead:
James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yet you can't refute me.

Just did.

Yes, that you have no scriptural discernment.

The reader can decide for himself.

Nope....works justify no one in His sight....Catholics love having Scripture contradict itself.

But God justifies those who do the works of the Law (Rom 2:13).

You listen to those whom you THINK God put over you to rule over your soul....all the while, they are sending millions to hell in a handbasket....preaching another gospel just as you are.

On the contrary, your unwilingness to obey anyone but your own understanding of the Scripture shows that you are preaching your own version of the Gospel:

Hebrews 13:7-17

King James Version (KJV)
⁷ Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
⁸ Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
⁹ Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
¹⁰ We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
¹¹ For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
¹² Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
¹³ Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
¹⁴ For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
¹⁵ By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
¹⁶ But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
¹⁷ Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

He also said be aware of wolves in sheeps clothing...be aware of false teachers who lead many astray...as does your apostate religious organization.

The apostate wolves in sheep's clothing are the Protestants.

I never said a word about reading hearts....read for comprehension DeMaria.

But you implied you could tell who has faith.

No one said otherwise....I said you are SHOWING the entire internet world how you have no Scriptural discernment....as you just did.

I think you are the one who has done that before the internet community.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Dos Santos - establishing new habits

Dos Santos, Reasons

A conversation about good works in the life of a Christian

That is actually close to the truth.

Luther:

RCC calls Jesus Savior.

Correct.

However, it then goes on and on and on and on about OUR good words, OUR lives, OUR obedence, OUR heart - as what saves.

Not true. The Catholic Church teaches that GOD SAVES those who do the good works which He commands. Let me show you from Scripture:

Matthew 25:31-46

King James Version (KJV)
³¹ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
³² And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
³³ And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
³⁴ Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
³⁵ For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
³⁶ Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
³⁷ Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
³⁸ When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
³⁹ Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
⁴⁰ And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
⁴¹ Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
⁴² For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
⁴³ I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
⁴⁴ Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
⁴⁵ Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
⁴⁶ And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now, lets consider. The Sheep did the works which God commanded. Therefore God called them righteous and they were rewarded with eternal life.

The Goats did not do the works which God commanded. They claimed to believe though, that is evidenced by the fact they called Him, "Lord". But they did not obey. Therefore they were sent to eternal punishment.

Therefore, faith alone is dead. They are saved who by faith do the works of God.

As soon as any Protestant says Christ saves, the Catholic is quick to jump in and remove the sufficiency of that - ADDING that "but we must....."

Scripture does that. We simply tell you what Scripture teaches and you refuse to believe us as you refuse to believe Scripture:
Hebrews 5:9

King James Version (KJV)
⁹ And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

The end result is that Jesus is not the Savior. Jesus is the HELPER.

No. For the Catholic Church, Jesus is the Saviour and we are the helpers.

For Protestants, you each claim to be your own saviours by your faith alone. Jesus neither helps nor judges nor recommends nor suggests nor has anything to do with how you save yourselves. 

WE couldn't be saved without Jesus doing His thing, but salvation actually depends on the one you see in the mirror.
The RC Denomination exists to help us save ourselves.

That is actually close to the truth. As Scripture says:
1 Timothy 4:16

King James Version (KJV)
¹⁶ Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Yeah, the Catholic Church helps you to learn how to save yourself by obeying Jesus Christ. Whereas, Protestants are described best in these words:

Matthew 23:13

King James Version (KJV)
¹³ But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Sincerely,

De Maria