Jesus died for the ungodly

1. MT said: 
   I hope you now can see the problem with interpreting the "we's" "us's" and "our's" in Romans 5:1-11 as applying universally to all humanity without exception. It leads to universalism, or the doctrine that all are now or will be saved.
   
   It is you who did so. I know what we, us and our means. I also know how to understand Rom 5:6 correctly. Ungodly means those who are not gods. Those who are not divine. Those who are mortal.

   Anyway, there's no need for me to debunk your whole article. The problem is your presupposition. Your starting point is false, your logic is wrong and the makes your conclusion false.
2. This is the truth.
   
   1 Jesus died for the ungodly.
   2 That includes us and all people and all creation.
   3 But those who accepted His sacrifice, repented of their sins, obeyed His Word and participated in His Sacraments. And must continue doing good their entire life. If they do, God will grant them eternal life.
   4 Those who do not accept His sacrifice, do not repent of their sins and will be condemned to hell.
   
   Romans 2:1-13
   King James Version (KJV)
   1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
   
   2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
   
   3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
   
   4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
   
   5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
   
   6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
   
   7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
   
   8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
   
   9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
   
   10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
   
   11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
   
   12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
   
   13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

We live in a time of trial

MT said: But if we were to do this, numerous absurdities would follow. For example:All humanity would presently be justified and be at peace with God (v. 1)All humanity would now stand in God's grace through faith and be rejoicing in the hope of glory (v. 2)

That's not true. Only those who obey Christ:

Hebrews 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

All humanity would be suffering in endurance which produces character and hope (vv. 3-4)

All humanity is suffering. We live in a time of trial. But suffering produces character and hope only with those who unite their suffering with God.

All humanity would have God's love in their hearts and possess the Holy Spirit (v. 5)

Not true. Only those who respond with faith:

Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

All humanity would be justified by his blood and by Jesus from the wrath of God (v. 9)

Only those who drink His Blood as Jesus commanded:

John 6:54

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Those like the Protestants, who reject this teaching, will not be included.

All humanity is now reconciled to God and shall be saved by his life (vv, 10-11).

Nope. Only those who work out their salvation in fear and trembling:

Philippians 2:12

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

You're a Catholic. Or a former Catholic. You know I'm telling the truth. And you know that you are misrepresenting the Catholic Doctrine.

Sincerely,

De Maria

And Hope of Salvation

Luther:
No. James is making the point that one cannot substitute credulity for faith. True christian faith yeilds love and works.

You just proved the Catholic doctrine. Faith and works go together. Faith alone is dead.

Here is John Wesley to explain:
John Wesley
But here let no man deceive his own soul. "It is diligently to be
noted, the faith which bringeth not forth repentance, and love, and all
good works, is not that right living faith, but a dead and devilish one.

The Catholic doctrine of faith and works is again proved correct.

For, even the devils believe that Christ was born of a virgin: that he
wrought all kinds of miracles, declaring himself very God: that, for
our sakes, he suffered a most painful death, to redeem us from death
everlasting; that he rose again the third day: that he ascended into
heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father and at the end of
the world shall come again to judge both the quick and dead. These
articles of our faith the devils believe, and so they believe all that
is written in the Old and New Testament. And yet for all this
faith, they be but devils. They remain still in their damnable estate
lacking the very true Christian faith."

Still more proof that the Catholic doctrine is correct and that the doctrine of faith alone is a devilish formula.

"The right and true Christian faith is" (to go on m the words of our
own Church), "not only to believe that Holy Scripture and the Articles
of our Faith are true, but also to have a sure trust and confidence
to be saved from everlasting damnation by Christ. It is a sure trust
and confidence which a man hath in God, that, by the merits
of Christ, his sins are forgiven, and he reconciled to the favour
of God; whereof doth follow a loving heart, to obey his commandments."

In short, have faith in Christ and obey His Commandments. Again the Catholic formula reiterated.

Notice that the desire to follow Gods commandments is not from fear of punishment or hope of reward but from love alone. 

And Hope of Salvation:

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 

The theory of Indulgences had no place in his theology, as it is plain hypocracy.

I guess Jesus didn't know about that:

Matthew 19:21
King James Version (KJV)²¹ Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

It is God who Judges

Luther:

Catholics don't know Jesus,

There you go, usurping God's Judgement. 

Romans 14:4

King James Version (KJV)
⁴ Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


Whether I know Jesus or not, is not for you to decide. It is God who Judges:

1 Corinthians 4:3-4

King James Version (KJV)
³ But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
⁴ For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

they have no assurance in Salvation.

WE have a true hope of salvation because we keep the Commandments of God. 

Psalm 119:166

King James Version (KJV)
¹⁶⁶ Lord, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.

But you refuse to keep the Commandments and thereby condemn yourself:
Mark 7:9

King James Version (KJV)
⁹ And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Jesus did not come and die for us to play guessing games.

No, He didn't. We don't sit around guessing about our salvation either. We simply don't presume to tell God what to do.

It is Protestants who guess at their salvation and even, as you have above, presume to condemn other folks. As for us, we place complete reliance upon God.

Jn.3:16 Whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Jn.11:25,26 I am the resurrection and the life...whosoever believeth in Me shall never die
Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved
Rom.10:9,10 If thou shalt...believe in thine heart...thou shalt be saved
1Jn.5:1a Whosoever believeth Jesus is the Christ is born of God

Show me where any of those say that YOU are the judge of whether you or anyone else is saved.

Sincerely,

De Maria