Bob said:
You state that “Transubstantiation means that the bread and wine are no longer there. Only the appearance. ” How do you know there is more to something than just the appearance?
Faith.
If there is something more than the appearance to the bread and wine as being Christ then we should be able to see indications of this.
Says who?
What would be the evidence that “Jesus is there present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity” in the bread and wine?
I rely upon the Teaching of Christ:
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
When Jesus performed miracles there was always some kind of evidence for them. The same would apply here.
The evidence which exists, you reject.
1st. Christ said that He would leave the bread that is His flesh and that the wine is His blood. I believe that. You don’t.
2nd. Jesus established a Church which has always taught that Jesus did exactly as He said He would do. I believe that. You don’t.
3rd. This is exactly the same evidence which we have for the Resurrection. It is mentioned in Scripture and the Church has always taught that Jesus did what He said He would do.
But although the evidence is the same kind in both, you reject one but accept the other leaning upon your own understanding and rejecting the witness of the Church.
In regards to the traditions that Paul mentions, he knew nothing of the Marian dogmas,
Yes, he did. St. Paul was guided powerfully by the Holy Spirit and he would have had the full Catholic insight to the relationship of the Mother of God to the Church and her role in salvation.
purgatory or a celibate leadership.
He explained Purgatory in detail in 1 Cor 3:1-15. Celibate leadership is established in the Western rite of the Catholic Church BECAUSE of the teaching of St. Paul in Romans 7:32.
These came centuries later in the RCC.
No, they didn’t. You have simply accepted the anti-Catholic lies, which is really a form of man made tradition.
They are not mentioned in the NT at all.
As I mentioned to you before. You read Scripture differently than does a Catholic. We don’t discover the meaning of Scripture when we read it. We have a deep understanding of it by the time we begin to study it because we have already been steeped in the Word of God by living the Traditions of Jesus Christ.
And when we see them in Scripture, we recognize them.
Mary the Mother of God:
Luke 1:43
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Mary crowned Queen of Heaven:
Revelation 12:1
King James Version (KJV)
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Mary the Mother of all Believers:
Revelation 12:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There is no verse in Scripture which says anything about Mary committing a sin. And Luke 1:28 says that she is “ever full of grace” (i.e. kecharitomene), which is the basis for the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.
Whereas, I repeat, every Protestant doctrine which contradicts Catholic doctrine also contradicts the Bible.
Please provide the evidence for Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide from Scripture.
