The Operation of God through Baptism - 3

 

De Maria

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 @Emmanuel The King  @De Maria the jehovas witnesses give scripture, mormons, SDA’s etc it’s easy to twist the scripture. DM-True. And Protestants have been twisting Scripture since the time of Martin Luther. ETC-U have a form of godliness but do not know the power of it. Especially regarding salvation. DM-I'll do my best to show you that it is you who are denying the power of the Gospel. ETC-By your beliefs I can baptise a Muslim and because I believe I transfer it to him. What a distortion. the gospel relies on the INDIVIDUAL realising they even need a saviour because they realise they are a sinner. DM-Let's talk about that because you're mixing truth and error in those statements. Let me break down your statement. You said: ETC-By your beliefs I can baptise a Muslim and because I believe I transfer it to him. DM-No, not true. I've been talking about parents baptizing their children. And I compared it to the miracles of Jesus wherein He healed certain children on the faith of their parents. For example, Jairus' daughter. She was dead. Jesus brought here back to life because of the faith of her Dad, Jairus and her Mom. This is comparable to a father and mother bringing their child to be baptized and Jesus' acting through the Sacrament, brings them to eternal life. Furthermore, this is consistent with the Biblical Teaching of intercession. Jesus also healed a paralytic based on the faith of his friends. Mark 2:3-5 King James Version 3 And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four. 4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. Notice what Jesus did here. When He saw the faith of the paralytic's friends. Let me repeat, when He saw the faith of the paralytic's friends. NOT THE PARALYTIC'S FAITH. Jesus forgave the paralytic's sins. He didn't heal him, initially. Understand? He didn't heal him initially. He healed his soul. Thus bringing his soul back to spiritual health. And then, when the Pharisees objected, Jesus said: 10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. So, He healed the paralytic's illness in order to show that He has authority to heal the soul. And that is what He does for us in Baptism, He heals our soul and the soul of our beloved children. ETC-What a distortion. the gospel relies on the INDIVIDUAL realising they even need a saviour because they realise they are a sinner. DM-Notice how Jairus' daughter did not realize she needed a Saviour. Nor did she go seeking Jesus. She was already dead. Notice how the Canaanite's daughter did not seek Jesus. Nor did she realize she needed a Saviour. Even the paralytic did not seek to be forgiven. Yet Jesus washed away his sins. And, if your doctrine is true, then what happens to the power of intercession which Scripture demands of us all? We are supposed to intercede for all mankind. 1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; You are denying the power of the Gospel when you claim that God will not grant His grace through an intercessor. ETC-A baby cannot do this. DM-Our children don't need to do it. The gifts which God grants to us extend to our children, as well. Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, *and to your children*, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Even in the Old Testament this was true: Deuteronomy 29:29 King James Version 29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. God has revealed the we are saved in Baptism and that gift is for us and for our children. ETC-It is quite amazing that this is a belief of Rome, the city on seven hills spoken of in revelation, that great whore. I could go on and on. DM-Please do. And I will continue to show you your errors.

Can a 2 month old believe? - 3

 

ETC- You said: Saved by grace through faith.

DM-That is a description of that which occurs in the Sacraments. In the Sacraments, we are saved when we proclaim our faith in Christ and God pours His grace into us in the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Can a 2 month old believe? -2

DM- Answer the questions which I asked. Who's faith did Jesus take into account when He brought the maiden back to life? The maid had died, does a dead body have faith? Therefore, Jesus revived her because of the faith of her parents. 

Luke 8:50-55How about the Canaanite woman's daughter? Who's faith did Jesus take into account, the daughter's or the mother's? Here's what Jesus said:

Matt 15:Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Notice that He didn't say, "your daughter's faith is great." But He cured the daughter because of the faith of her mother. In the same way, Jesus brings our children into spiritual life, based upon the faith of the parents.

Judgement will come first to those in the House of God

 

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   DE MARIA May 25, 2013 at 10:59 am

   RAYN May 24, 2013 at 10:40 pm
   I’ll continue to maintain what I said: for someone who isn’t familiar with the doctrine the current Pope regularly confesses publicly, then his statement could be taken to mean universalism. That said, sure, Catholics seem to get it. I don’t see any of the outbursts coming from Catholics.

   Yes, we understand the Pope. The Pope is thoroughly Catholic.

   Nevertheless, this provokes good questions about the inclusivism apparent in Roman Catholic theology, and the inability of Roman Catholic theologians to properly distinguish between general revelation (which is law, what you must do) and special revelation (gospel, what God in Christ has done on behalf of his people).

   Did you make this distinction up on your own? If not, please show me from Scripture.

   In Romans 1:18-3:20 the Apostle is driving toward his gospel presentation (which begins in Romans 3:21) by showing the necessity of it.

   We accept the necessity of the Gospel. What we are debating is the contents of the Gospel or what it truly means.

   We must keep in mind the whole time that we’re reading Romans 1:18-3:20 the conclusion of Paul’s arguement — he tells you what it is in 3:9, “we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,” after which he quotes a plethora of Old Testament Scripture to support that conclusion.

   All that he wrote is true.

   Whatever you think Paul means in that section, if it contradicts his own clearly stated conclusion, you haven’t understood that passage.

   That’s part of the problem. You claim that St. Paul speaks clearly. But Scripture tells you different and yet all Protestants refuse to believe what Scripture says about St. Paul’s writings:
   2 Peter 3:16
   As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

   We, however, understand that St. Paul says some things which we must study in order to understand correctly.

   The purpose of his arguement is to shut the whole world up in their guilt before God so that they’ll listen when he gives the glorious “but” in Romans 3:21! “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes the knowledge of sin,” (Romans 3:20).

   That is Catholic Teaching. But you don’t understand it correctly.

   By the term “the law”, St. Paul is speaking of the Old Covenant through which no man was ever justified. To be justified is to wash away sins. Here is what St. Paul says elsewhere:
   Hebrews 10:4
   For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

   The Old Law, the Old Covenant, did not justify. But doers of the law, will be justified, the law of the Ten Commandments:
   Romans 2:13
   King James Version (KJV)
   13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

   So Romans 1&2 shows that while the whole world knows what God requires in the law, since it is written on their conscience, and since Jews know the law even more clearly in the Scriptures, that simply shows that they are accountable for their sin — not that they’re actually attaining righteousness by whatever means.

   On the contrary, what it shows is that those who do the righteous works of God will be justified by God. Whether they are Jew or Gentile:
   Romans 2:1-13
   King James Version (KJV)
   1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
   12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

   If you want righteousness before God, Paul directs us outside of ourselves. “But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it — the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe” (Romans 3:21-22).

   Faith in Jesus Christ is not outside of ourselves. It is in our hearts.
   John 14:21
   He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

   Paul says that gentiles have the work of the law written on their hearts. Sure, we see this from the fact that nonbelievers build hospitals — glorious testimony to the fact that God has not abandoned the creation but is being patient with all until they come to repentance in Christ (Romans 2:4). But they are warned that apart from repentance they will only have to face God’s wrath. God will be just on the last day when he judges because everyone whom he condemns has had sufficient knowledge of what God requires in the law — but saving knowledge of God in Christ comes only through the good news Paul announces in Romans 3 which he no where says is inherent in creation, but rather distinguishes it from it.

   It will certainly be very difficult for non-believers to obey Christ and be saved. But you are misunderstanding the Scripture. St. Paul is saying that if you want to walk with the Saints in this life, you must obey Christ and keep the precepts of His Faith, His Church. But if you don’t, you must await the Judgment where all men will be judged. St. Peter says the same thing:
   1 Peter 4:17
   For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

   Bottomline, you guys are arguing a straw man of your own making. The Catholic Church teaches universalism in this sense. ALL men, universally, will be judged by God. The Catholic Church does not teach that all men are saved. Nor does Pope Francis.

   Sincerely,

   De Maria

Not faithful?

                       ROBERT May 25, 2013 at 10:16 am

1. Actually, I don’t feel good about myself. I am confident in my salvation not because I am faithful but because the Judge became incarnate and gave His life for me, and, believing in His resurrection I am saved. Before God’s bar of justice, I am not faithful. He doesn’t grade on a curve, y’know. You're not faithful? And yet you are confident in your salvation? But didn't you say that you were saved by your faith alone? If you have no faith, then that means you have no salvation. Does God save the faithless? Didn't you say that He doesn't grade on a curve?
2. Your belief system is full of contradictions.

3. Throwing out a random verse from Romans 14 that is not dealing with justification proves nothing. You should actually try and make an argument from a verse that is pertinent to the situation.

   You've yet to provide any verse at all and your words are so contradictory, I don't think you'll be able to provide any verses.  The Scriptures do not contradict themselves. 

   Apparently, you don’t know that you are saved. 

   Because God is my Judge.  Here's what Scripture says about that:

4. 1 Corinthians 4:2-4 King James Version

   2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

5. At least you’re being consistent with Roman teaching. But I tell you that you can know you are saved and that God wants you to know if you are saved. But that would mean trusting in Christ alone and not in a church that cannot save you. If you can participate in the mass daily and still end up in hell, the sacraments are doing absolutely nothing for you.

   Where does Scripture say to trust in Christ alone?  You claim to trust Scripture, which was not written by Christ, therefore you're putting your trust in other people, not in Christ alone.  And you also trust your mom and dad, I assume.  I do.  And there are many other people whom I trust.  Here's what Scripture says about trusting others:

6. Hebrews 13:7 King James Version

   7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. 

   Sounds like Scripture wants you to trust your leaders in the Church. 

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Will they be saved who do not do good works?

Galatians 4:30
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

From Jesse's blog:

Martin Luther's Commentary On Galatians 4:30

"And now they themselves do not defend their wicked life; nay, rather, they which are the best and the soundest of them all, do detest it; but they fight for the maintenance and defense of the doctrine of devils, for hypocrisy, and for the righteousness of works. Here they allege the authority of councils and the examples of holy fathers, whom they affirm to have been the authors of their holy orders and statutes. Therefore, we fight not against the manifest wickedness and abominations of the papacy, but against the greatest holiness and holiest saints thereof, which think they lead an angelic life, whilst they dream that they keep not only the commandments of God, but also the counsels of Christ, and do works of supererogation, and such as they are not bound to do. This, we say, is to labour in vain, except they take hold of that only and alone, which Christ saith is only necessary, and choose the good part with Mary, which shall not be taken from them.

Jesse quoted Luther, but simply quoted Luther's misunderstandings, or intentional twisting, of Catholic Doctrine.

First of all, as opposed to Luther's claim, the Catholic Church Teaches us not to judge ourselves.  This is from Scripture, which says:

1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

And, again, as opposed to what Luther said, the Catholic Church teaches to follow the examples of Holy men who precede us in the Faith.  That is to say, to follow the example of the Saints which Luther maligns above:

1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

And the Church Teaches us to labour for righteousness sake.  Whereas, Luther claims that all labour is fruitless, as we can see above:

Proverbs 10:16 The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin.

Hebrews 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

This did Bernard, a man so godly, so holy, and so chaste, that he is to be commended and preferred above them all. 

Here we see that Luther contradicts himself, acknowledging the holiness of the man which Catholics call, St. Bernard of Clairvaux.

He being once grievously sick, and having no hope of life, put not his trust in his single life, wherein he had lived most chastely; not in his good works and deeds of charity, whereof he had done many; but removed them far out of his sight, and, receiving the benefit of Christ by faith, he said: "I have lived wickedly. But thou, Lord Jesus Christ, by double right dost possess the kingdom of heaven: first, because thou art the Son of God; secondly, because thou hast purchased it by thy death and passion. The first thou keepest for thyself, by thy birth-right. The second thou givest to me, not by the right of my works, but by the right of of grace." 

Here, St. Bernard acknowledges that salvation is from Jesus Christ.  This is Catholic Teaching.

He set not against the wrath of God his monkery, nor his angelic life; but he took hold of that one thing which was necessary, and so was saved. 

Luther acknowledges that this is what St. Bernard teaches.  That salvation is by grace.  But does St. Bernard teach that salvation by grace is extended to those who do not do good works and reject the Commandments?  I'll answer that at the end of the article.

I think that Hierome, Gregory, and many other of the fathers, were saved after the same sort. And it is not to be doubted but that also, in the Old Testament, many kings of Israel and other idolaters were saved in like manner, who, at the hour of death, casting away their vain trust which they had in idols, took hold of the promise of God, which was made unto the seed of Abraham, that is to say, Christ, in whom all nations should be blessed. 

Note that Luther here, extends salvation to idolaters by the criteria of his own opinion.  Notwithstanding, the Catholic Church Teaches that God alone judges salvation.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And if there be any of the papists which shall be saved, they must simply lean not to their own good deeds and deserts, but to the mercy of God offered unto us in Christ, and say with Paul: "I have not mine own righteousness which is of the law, but that which is by faith in Christ," (Phil. iii. 9.)" (Excerpt taken from "A commentary on Saint Paul's Epistle to the Galatians")

Protestants say, "Before Abraham did anything, he was made righteous by faith."

Protestants frequently say that we need no longer do anything to be saved. They claim, for example, that Abraham was saved before he did anything. Then, the question is, what happened between Gen 12 and Gen 15 or 22, whichever you prefer as the point of Abraham's justification? Was that just filler in the Old Testament? By no means!

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Protestant logic is based upon that false premise, called faith alone, therefore they arrive at false conclusions. But Abraham did a great deal before he was justified. He just wasn't justified by what he did. Let me repeat, he wasn't justified by what he did. No one is.

God justifies those who, because of their faith in Him, do works which He considers good.

Abraham, like everyone else, was justified because he was faithful, not by his professed faith. In fact, I don't think there is one instance in Scripture where Abraham calls himself faithful. Abraham, like everyone else, was justified because of his obedience not by his obedience. Abraham was justified because of his good works, not by his good works. Abraham was justified by God because he did good in the eyes of God.

Because they don't believe in works, Protestants will frequently say that the Law of Moses is no longer in force. But, if the Law is no longer in force, why does St. Paul say:

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Don't they recognize these Commandments enumerated there? Thou shalt not - commit idolatry, lie, commit adultery, steal, covet.

It's not the law which is the difference. It's the advent of Jesus Christ.

Before Jesus, no saving grace.

After Jesus, saving grace provided in the Sacraments.

Before Jesus, faith filled Jews did all their good works and as it says in Heb 11, they did not receive the promise:

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. 31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. 32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions. 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

BY FAITH they did all that good. But they didn't receive the promise. So, salvation is not BY FAITH.

Nor is it by works. Look at all the good that they did. But they were not saved.

Why is it then? By what were they saved? By the mercy of God which was poured out to them from the Cross.

So, how do Christians receive that mercy? In the Sacraments. When we approach the Sacraments, we approach the Cross of our Lord, we remember His Sacrifice and He pours out upon us His mercy. His Divine Mercy. His grace.

Does He pour it out upon all Christians just because they claim to have faith or works? No! Only those who, in obedience to His word, have kept the Commandments. Its in Scripture:

Exodus 20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

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If no one keeps the Commandments, Christ truly did die in vain

FH:They were righteous by faith as are all of His sheep....walking in the commandments and ordinances didn't make them righteous....

That is a false dichotomy. They kept the Commandments because of their faith. That means they were justified, (i.e. imputed righteous) because of their faith AND WORKS (i.e. keeping the Commandments).

No kidding......and no one repetents until God grants them repentance....

That is Catholic Teaching.

doesn't negate the fact that salvation of a SINNER is by grace through faith,

But not by faith ALONE.

not by them keeping the law.

Scripture is clear:
Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 2:24

King James Version (KJV)
²⁴ Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

No one keeps the commandments....otherwise Christ died in vain.

If no one keeps the Commandments, then Christ truly died in vain. Christ died in order that those who believe in Him might be saved by keeping the Commandments and thus uniting themselves with Him in love:
John 14:21

King James Version (KJV)
²¹ He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

The righteous are sinners....

Repentant sinners.

are you now sinless?

God knows.

Wrong.....it is is THE SAVED who obey...they CAN'T begin to do so until they are saved....

Scripture says:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
If you want to turn God's word topsy turvy, you have received your reward.

this is how little you know of what it means to be a new creation in Christ.

A new creation in Christ obeys His Will:
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

You already said it did.

I said that God saves those who keep the Law. Big difference.

Nope, God saved by grace through faith....not by keeping the law....you need some serious theology lessons, because you have no discernment of God's word whatsoever.

You need to read the Bible with understanding:
Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The law never saved a soul and never will....

but God saves those who keep the Law and condemns those who do not.

nor was it meant to....it is our tutor....salvation is by grace through faith...

But not by faith alone.

Establish means to hold up, it doesn't mean we are able to keep it....

Yeah, it does, by God's grace, we are able to keep the Law.

That is a bold faced lie....we ALWAYS say that faith produces good works, and those works evidence our faith/salvation.....

That is the Catholic Teaching of faith and works which Protestants reject.

God doesn't grant His children dead faith.

Therefore only those who have faith accompanied by works are saved. Because faith ALONE is dead:
James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yet you can't refute me.

Just did.

Yes, that you have no scriptural discernment.

The reader can decide for himself.

Nope....works justify no one in His sight....Catholics love having Scripture contradict itself.

But God justifies those who do the works of the Law (Rom 2:13).

You listen to those whom you THINK God put over you to rule over your soul....all the while, they are sending millions to hell in a handbasket....preaching another gospel just as you are.

On the contrary, your unwilingness to obey anyone but your own understanding of the Scripture shows that you are preaching your own version of the Gospel:

Hebrews 13:7-17

King James Version (KJV)
⁷ Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
⁸ Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
⁹ Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
¹⁰ We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
¹¹ For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
¹² Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
¹³ Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
¹⁴ For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
¹⁵ By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
¹⁶ But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
¹⁷ Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

He also said be aware of wolves in sheeps clothing...be aware of false teachers who lead many astray...as does your apostate religious organization.

The apostate wolves in sheep's clothing are the Protestants.

I never said a word about reading hearts....read for comprehension DeMaria.

But you implied you could tell who has faith.

No one said otherwise....I said you are SHOWING the entire internet world how you have no Scriptural discernment....as you just did.

I think you are the one who has done that before the internet community.

Sincerely,

De Maria