Anti-Catholic said:
Whenever idolatrous devotees to Mary are identified (such as the hoards in Mexico, Caribbean, Philippines, etc.) Catholics claim that excessive devotion showed by such pagan so-called "Catholics" arises because these simple people were "not well catechised."
Catholic replied:
I’ve heard countless times about how Catholics in the places you mentioned are idolaters, but I’m skeptical. This skepticism is borne out of the near-continual “Catholics worship idols” slander that I’ve heard from anti-Catholic Protestants, including yourself. Since I know you’re lying about the Catholics you do know, why should I trust you to give me accurate information about Catholics you’ve never even met? And why should I trust you to give me accurate information on Mexican and Filipino Catholics, when you’re openly racist?
Anti-Catholic replied:
The same news-media that slanders "racists" promotes abortion and homosexuality and atheism ... I happen to believe in both Genesis 10 and Acts 7, and see no contradiction between them both. (i.e., God loves and saves all races by Jesus Christ, yet God wants races to reside in their own distinct separate nations. I am an equal-opportunity critic of all - let everyone acknowledge we are all worms before God.)
Nevertheless, the excessive Marian devotion of third-world Catholics either proves that the "infallible teaching church" is failing to properly teach - or else calls into question the Church's sincerity in its "veneration versus worship" argument.
Ironically "uncatechized" tribes of early European barbarians had more sense - they received Christ but wouldn't call Mary "mother of God" and got slandered as "Arians" when they were not. Profession of the Trinity is no virtue to those who use it to shoe-horn Mary into the Godhead (as God's mother no less!).
Marian fanatics won't rest until some Pope announces her apotheosis. The "pillar and ground of the truth" placates any noisy group - today they kiss the Koran, tomorrow they deify Mary. I invite you to be a Bible Christian. Or perhaps you like where you are at while ignoring inconvenient facts.
If I'm wrong, God have mercy on me - my ambition was to be consistent and Bible believing.My response to Anti-Catholic:
Rather than deny that you are a racist, you justify your belittlement of people whom you don't know simply on the basis of their genetic heritage? Strange. Have you not read in Scripture:The same news-media that slanders "racists" promotes abortion and homosexuality and atheism ...
Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
There is no contradiction between them.I happen to believe in both Genesis 10 and Acts 7, and see no contradiction between them both.
I wonder why God did not punish Moses for having a wife of another race? Nor does Scripture say anything about God rejecting the Egyptians which left Egypt and joined with the Hebrews. In fact, God only seems to be angered by the sinful actions of the other nations. Especially by their idolatry.(i.e., God loves and saves all races by Jesus Christ, yet God wants races to reside in their own distinct separate nations.
That is a Catholic Teaching. And all the more reason why we are united in one body under God. The Church, the Body of Christ.I am an equal-opportunity critic of all - let everyone acknowledge we are all worms before God.)
1. You are not an authority of Catholic doctrine or worship and in no way qualified to judge what is excessive Marian devotion.Nevertheless, the excessive Marian devotion of third-world Catholics either proves that the "infallible teaching church" is failing to properly teach - or else calls into question the Church's sincerity in its "veneration versus worship" argument.
2. The Catholic Church is quite clear in its distinction between veneration and worship. The only ones confused on the issue are anti-Catholics who pretend not to understand the teaching for their own reasons.
3. The errors of Catholics do not invalidate the infallibility of any Church Teaching.
4. Your idea that any disciple's failure to understand a teaching somehow brings into question the sincerity of the Teacher indicts not only the Catholic Church, but every Christian teacher through the ages up to and including Jesus Christ. You even indict yourself since you are here teaching your version of Christianity and I know that I don't understand how you come up with more than half of your ideas.
Thanks for providing this. It gives me an opportunity to compare your beliefs to Scripture and Catholic doctrine to Scripture.Ironically "uncatechized" tribes of early European barbarians had more sense - they received Christ but wouldn't call Mary "mother of God" and got slandered as "Arians" when they were not. Profession of the Trinity is no virtue to those who use it to shoe-horn Mary into the Godhead (as God's mother no less!).
Obviously, you explicitly deny that Mary is the Mother of God. So, what does Scripture say with regard to that question?
Luke 1:43-45
King James Version (KJV)
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
Lets break this down:
1. The word "Lord" is here mentioned two times.
2. In the second instance, it is an obvious reference to God. "Blessed is she who believes that the LORD would fulfill His promises." That is an obvious reference to God.
3. Therefore, then, what could she possibly have meant when she said, "mother of my LORD"?
4. Since she was inspired by the Holy Spirit to utter these words, she must have meant what is most obvious. Is Jesus, God? Yes. Therefore, the words she uttered could also be translated, "mother of my GOD".
So, God explicitly teaches us, in His Word, that Mary is the Mother of God. This is what you deny and therefore you deny the outright teaching of the Word of God in Scripture.
Apotheosis? I'm not sure if that is a synonym of Theosis, which is Catholic Teaching regarding us all. All who die in Christ will share in the divine nature:Marian fanatics won't rest until some Pope announces her apotheosis.
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Your mistaken. If that were so, the Protestants would have been placated long ago as they are the noisiest group ever.The "pillar and ground of the truth" placates any noisy group -
Show me where Scripture says it is a sin to kiss a book? If it isn't a sin, then what is your objection?today they kiss the Koran,
We honor Mary in obedience to the instructions of Scripture.tomorrow they deify Mary.
Luke 1:48
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Catholics are already Bible Christians. I invite you to be a true Bible Christian and leave behind the errors of the Protestants.I invite you to be a Bible Christian.
I love the Church which Christ established for my salvation. It is you who are ignoring the plain teaching of the Word of God.Or perhaps you like where you are at while ignoring inconvenient facts.
You are wrong. If you do not repent, may God have mercy on your soul:If I'm wrong, God have mercy on me - my ambition was to be consistent and Bible believing.
James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
But God has sent you to this blogsite in order that you may learn the Wisdom of His Word through the Teaching of His Church:
Ephesians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Sincerely,
De Maria
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