The Operation of God through Baptism - 3

 

De Maria

20 minutes ago (edited)

 @Emmanuel The King  @De Maria the jehovas witnesses give scripture, mormons, SDA’s etc it’s easy to twist the scripture. DM-True. And Protestants have been twisting Scripture since the time of Martin Luther. ETC-U have a form of godliness but do not know the power of it. Especially regarding salvation. DM-I'll do my best to show you that it is you who are denying the power of the Gospel. ETC-By your beliefs I can baptise a Muslim and because I believe I transfer it to him. What a distortion. the gospel relies on the INDIVIDUAL realising they even need a saviour because they realise they are a sinner. DM-Let's talk about that because you're mixing truth and error in those statements. Let me break down your statement. You said: ETC-By your beliefs I can baptise a Muslim and because I believe I transfer it to him. DM-No, not true. I've been talking about parents baptizing their children. And I compared it to the miracles of Jesus wherein He healed certain children on the faith of their parents. For example, Jairus' daughter. She was dead. Jesus brought here back to life because of the faith of her Dad, Jairus and her Mom. This is comparable to a father and mother bringing their child to be baptized and Jesus' acting through the Sacrament, brings them to eternal life. Furthermore, this is consistent with the Biblical Teaching of intercession. Jesus also healed a paralytic based on the faith of his friends. Mark 2:3-5 King James Version 3 And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four. 4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. Notice what Jesus did here. When He saw the faith of the paralytic's friends. Let me repeat, when He saw the faith of the paralytic's friends. NOT THE PARALYTIC'S FAITH. Jesus forgave the paralytic's sins. He didn't heal him, initially. Understand? He didn't heal him initially. He healed his soul. Thus bringing his soul back to spiritual health. And then, when the Pharisees objected, Jesus said: 10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. So, He healed the paralytic's illness in order to show that He has authority to heal the soul. And that is what He does for us in Baptism, He heals our soul and the soul of our beloved children. ETC-What a distortion. the gospel relies on the INDIVIDUAL realising they even need a saviour because they realise they are a sinner. DM-Notice how Jairus' daughter did not realize she needed a Saviour. Nor did she go seeking Jesus. She was already dead. Notice how the Canaanite's daughter did not seek Jesus. Nor did she realize she needed a Saviour. Even the paralytic did not seek to be forgiven. Yet Jesus washed away his sins. And, if your doctrine is true, then what happens to the power of intercession which Scripture demands of us all? We are supposed to intercede for all mankind. 1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; You are denying the power of the Gospel when you claim that God will not grant His grace through an intercessor. ETC-A baby cannot do this. DM-Our children don't need to do it. The gifts which God grants to us extend to our children, as well. Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, *and to your children*, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Even in the Old Testament this was true: Deuteronomy 29:29 King James Version 29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. God has revealed the we are saved in Baptism and that gift is for us and for our children. ETC-It is quite amazing that this is a belief of Rome, the city on seven hills spoken of in revelation, that great whore. I could go on and on. DM-Please do. And I will continue to show you your errors.