Salvation by grace in the Sacraments - 5

 

De Maria

1 day ago

 BL- The catholic church goes to the scriptures for most of their doctrines , goes beyond scripture to find the other doctrines . They wrote the CCC so you would know what the church believes as after all you are not allowed to question the church. The CCC has errors within it's pages but you are not allowed to question those errors. DM-Bob, Jesus Christ did not say that all doctrines are to be found in Scripture. In fact, even you keep doctrines that can't be found in Scripture. In fact, Jesus Christ did not command that any Scripture be written. The Catholic Church wrote the New Testament in order to supplement Her Teaching of Jesus Christ's commands. There are no errors in Catholic Teaching because Christ Teaches through His Church. And no, no one is allowed to question the Church. Listen to Scripture: 2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. And again: Galatians 1:8 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. BL-When I look for God I find Jesus Christ ,not an organization with claims. DM-Everyone will find Christ in the end, but how will He respond to you? Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. We obey Christ and follow Him through His Church, which He established to lead us to salvation. BL-The church is the body of believers in the Lord Jesus Christ ,not a small group making decisions worldwide. Eph 2:20-22 sums up the church I know. DM-Do you mean that you discard all the other Scriptures about the Church. Let's see, you deny that the Church is an organization. What does Scripture say: 1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. The Catholic Church fits all the verses of Scripture. But you pick some and deny others. Who put you above Scripture? BL- My comments are made for you to question a group that claims authority when it does not have it , has doctrines and traditions that do not line up with scripture and to get you to look at what you believe and prove to yourself that what you have been taught is correct. DM-Well, Bob. Let's line up your teachings and the Catholic Church's with Scripture and see which one's line up the best. It is the Catholic Church which wrote the New Testament and selected the Old Testament books which should be included in the Bible you carry today. Ephesians 3:10 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Catholic Doctrine is from Christ

Rk May 8, 2013 at 4:59 pm
So far, only having glanced over this, I spotted one thing very new

Very new TO YOU. Catholic Doctrine has been around from the time of the Apostles. It is Christ who taught Catholic Doctrine.

– that Catholics believe in initial justification and then increasing ‘justification’ (I suppose ‘sanctification’ is yet another thing)

You would be wrong. There is no such term as “initial justification” in the Catholic soteriology. Conversion is the beginning of Justification. Perhaps that is what you are confusing with the so-called “initial justification”. After conversion, one requests Baptism and is completely justified for the first time. If (or should I say, when) one commits sins after Baptism, then one must repent and ask forgiveness in the Sacrament of Reconciliation and one is justified once more. This process of repeated washings by the grace of the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments continues throughout our life.

Sanctification is the process of adopting holy habits and becoming a more righteous individual and goes hand in hand with the process of justification.

This definitive and progressive justification (akin to protestant definitive and progressive sanctification?)

I don’t know anything about Protestant sanctification. But the Catholic Church teaches that we adopt holy habits and become holy as God is holy. As we add to our faith, knowledge and all good virtues, we make our election sure and attain to the heights of righteousness without which one will not see God.
Revelation 22:12-15
King James Version (KJV)
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

However, I have heard that the Protestants consider Justification only a forensic or legal thing where the creature is not truly changed.

But for the Catholic, we believe that the creature is new born when God washes Him in the waters of regeneration. And we believe our souls are truly cleansed in the fount of Sacramental confession. And that we become united to God in the Sacrament of Holy Eucharist.

does explain to me why my Catholic friends are so relaxed about their own salvation when I had thought that catholic teaching would permit no such grounds.

I’m not sure what you mean by that? Perhaps you are comparing the Protestant preoccupation with salvation to the Catholic knowledge that God is our Judge. We are not preoccupied with judging our souls nor those of others because we trust in God and hope in Him. The Scripture says:

1 Corinthians 4:2-5
King James Version (KJV)
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

It seems a bit like ‘now you see it; now you don’t’ carrot and stick. To the wayward, the Church can say they will be judged on final works (other than as covered by confession/penance which will be sorted out in purgatory). For the nervous, Mother Church can remind them of their baptism and their initial but adequate justification.
I have put it crudely and I apologise, but the danger of this is that it produces ‘tightrope’ salvation based on a ‘tightrope’ state of mind of supplicant. It is not so much that God’s mercy overwhelms his justice, but that both hang in the balance and the supplicant must walk warily between Scylla and Charybdis.
In the case of my friends, perhaps they are nervous when with the priest and wayward out of church??? possible, surely

More likely, you don’t understand either Catholic soteriology nor Protestant. As for your friends, I don’t know them. If you don’t think they understand Catholic Doctrine, send them to the Catholic Church. But please don’t try to teach them anything about the Catholic Church yourself. Because it is obvious that you don’t understand the Catholic Teaching.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Answering an anti-Catholic's questions about Mary

Annunciation

Anti-Catholic asked:

Where do we see anything in their writings of any mention of her by name? Where do we see any of them exhorting believers to pray to her?

Have you read in Scripture that Jesus is our example?

1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ. Therefore, as her Child, Jesus had to ask Mary for comfort, nourishment and protection from the elements. He is our example. Therefore we do the same.

Now, most Protestants say, "She was His mother, not ours." But you are mistaken. Jesus appointed Mary our mother. That is plain in Scripture. To be more precise, Jesus appointed Mary the mother of all whom He loves and all who love Him.

First:
John 19:26-28
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. 28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Catholics are taught to read Scripture as though God was speaking to us. Now, are you a beloved disciple of Christ? To put it differently, are you a disciple whom Jesus loves?

Catholics would answer, "Yes" to that question and therefore accept Jesus command to take Mary as our mother and bring her into our home (i.e. heart).

For the second part of this explanation, you need to be aware of other verses in Scripture.
Genesis 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The seed of the Woman is not just Jesus. Let me show you:
Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you consider yourself someone who keeps the Commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus? If so, then you are seed or a child of the Woman. That Woman is Mary. And therefore, Scripture says that all who fight the good fight on behalf of God in Christ, are children of Mary.

God appointed Mary our spiritual mother. Jesus gave Mary to the disciples whom He loves. Therefore, as any good children, we ask our mother for that which Our heavenly Father provides us through her.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Rebutting even more anti-Catholic objections to Marian Doctrine

Anti-Catholic said:
If Joseph was a man 

He was and is a man.

then this is something he would have needed to deal with.

Have you ever read in Scripture that God will give you the grace you need to fulfill your vocation?
2 Thessalonians 1:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

After all, one of the benefits of marriage is for the man and the woman to express their sexuality towards each other in holy and godly way.

What do you think is a greater benefit? To serve God or to have sex with your spouse? This is what Scripture says:
1 Corinthians 7:
32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: 33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

There is no reason to think Joesph did not have normal sexual desires and wanting to have children of his own. Same would apply to Mary. 

You are projecting. To us, we are taught that God satisfies all our desires:
Our Heart is Restless Until it rests in You
Saint Augustine of Hippo

Apparently, you are taught that the highest blessing is sex with your spouse. But that is wrong. We are made for God. St. Joseph and the Virgin Mary received a blessing beyond calculation. They were united to their God in this life.

Children without brothers and sisters do not experience family life the same way that those that do. Does not mean they are less but they don't have this experience.

Does that make them less human? You admit it doesn't, so why even bring that up?

Sincerely,

De Maria

Rebutting more anti-Catholic objections to Marian Doctrine

Anti-Catholic says:Point 4 is enough to show that Mary was not a life long virgin. 

No, it has been effectively rebutted several times. Please read the responses rather than ignoring the points of rebuttal. That is the only way you could make this claim.

Point 1 does not mention anyone in the NT having sex either. Should we assume that it never happened to the people mentioned such Peter or Jarius?

Your logic is faulty.
1. You claim that Scripture does not say that Mary is a perpetual virgin, therefore you conclude that Mary is not a perpetual virgin.

2. To support that contention, you provide an example of Scripture not mentioning that anyone had sex. To be consistent with your first claim, you should conclude that therefore, since it isn't mentioned in Scripture, it can't be true. But you conclude the opposite.

3. Your logic supports the Catholic position.

If Mary was a perpetual virgin then how does Joseph deal with his sex drive?

With the grace of God. Do you really believe the myths that men will go blind if they don't have sex?

Where do you get the idea that "Sex is never done after contact with the Divine Presence" from Scripture? There was nothing from the angel when he spoke with Mary that it was forbidden for her to have sexual relations with her husband. 

Was there anything that said it was permitted?

There is absolutely nothing to be gained theologically by Mary not having normal sexual relations with her husband and having more children.

That is because you don't discern the meaning of Scripture spiritually. Mary is not simply a vessel which carried the Divine Being of Christ. She is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit.

If she were to have sex with St. Joseph, she would become an adulteress and St. Joseph an adulterer.

Now, let me show you that Mary is married to the Holy Spirit. The important terminology here is "overshadowed".

A euphemism for marriage in the Old Testament is covering:
Ruth 3:
7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down. 8 And it came to pass at midnight, that the man was afraid, and turned himself: and, behold, a woman lay at his feet. 9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

Ruth, effectively asked Boaz to marry her. If you read the rest of the story, you will see that Boaz understood and was determined to do so.

To a Jew, it is clear that when the Holy Spirit "overshadowed" the Virgin Mary, He took her to Himself and the logical outcome is that a Child would be born. The Virgin Mary then married St. Joseph for righteousness sake. The same reason that the sinless Jesus was Baptized.

St. Joseph, being a righteous man, would have known better than to go into the Virgin Mary, having been informed in a dream that she bore the Child by the Holy Spirit:
Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Before Jesus was born it would have been since the prophecy said He would be born of a virgin. See Isaiah 7:14. After this prophecy was fulfilled there is no reason for her to remain a virgin. 

You say this because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Also, if Jesus was to experience humanity to the fullest extent then being part of a family where He had brothers and sisters would be expected.

Being an only child makes one no less a human.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Refuting more anti-Catholic objections

Anti-Catholic said:  

Whenever idolatrous devotees to Mary are identified (such as the hoards in Mexico, Caribbean, Philippines, etc.) Catholics claim that excessive devotion showed by such pagan so-called "Catholics" arises because these simple people were "not well catechised." 

Catholic replied: 

I’ve heard countless times about how Catholics in the places you mentioned are idolaters, but I’m skeptical. This skepticism is borne out of the near-continual “Catholics worship idols” slander that I’ve heard from anti-Catholic Protestants, including yourself.   Since I know you’re lying about the Catholics you do know, why should I trust you to give me accurate information about Catholics you’ve never even met?  And why should I trust you to give me accurate information on Mexican and Filipino Catholics, when you’re openly racist? 

Anti-Catholic replied:

The same news-media that slanders "racists" promotes abortion and homosexuality and atheism ... I happen to believe in both Genesis 10 and Acts 7, and see no contradiction between them both. (i.e., God loves and saves all races by Jesus Christ, yet God wants races to reside in their own distinct separate nations. I am an equal-opportunity critic of all - let everyone acknowledge we are all worms before God.) 

Nevertheless, the excessive Marian devotion of third-world Catholics either proves that the "infallible teaching church" is failing to properly teach - or else calls into question the Church's sincerity in its "veneration versus worship" argument. 

Ironically "uncatechized" tribes of early European barbarians had more sense - they received Christ but wouldn't call Mary "mother of God" and got slandered as "Arians" when they were not. Profession of the Trinity is no virtue to those who use it to shoe-horn Mary into the Godhead (as God's mother no less!). 

Marian fanatics won't rest until some Pope announces her apotheosis. The "pillar and ground of the truth" placates any noisy group - today they kiss the Koran, tomorrow they deify Mary. I invite you to be a Bible Christian. Or perhaps you like where you are at while ignoring inconvenient facts. 

If I'm wrong, God have mercy on me - my ambition was to be consistent and Bible believing.

My response to Anti-Catholic:

The same news-media that slanders "racists" promotes abortion and homosexuality and atheism ...

Rather than deny that you are a racist, you justify your belittlement of people whom you don't know simply on the basis of their genetic heritage?  Strange.  Have you not read in Scripture:

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

I happen to believe in both Genesis 10 and Acts 7, and see no contradiction between them both.

There is no contradiction between them.

(i.e., God loves and saves all races by Jesus Christ, yet God wants races to reside in their own distinct separate nations.

I wonder why God did not punish Moses for having a wife of another race?  Nor does Scripture say anything about God rejecting the Egyptians which left Egypt and joined with the Hebrews.  In fact, God only seems to be angered by the sinful actions of the other nations.  Especially by their idolatry.

I am an equal-opportunity critic of all - let everyone acknowledge we are all worms before God.) 

 That is a Catholic Teaching.  And all the more reason why we are united in one body under God.  The Church, the Body of Christ.

Nevertheless, the excessive Marian devotion of third-world Catholics either proves that the "infallible teaching church" is failing to properly teach - or else calls into question the Church's sincerity in its "veneration versus worship" argument.  

1.   You are not an authority of Catholic doctrine or worship and in no way qualified to judge what is excessive Marian devotion.
2.  The Catholic Church is quite clear in its distinction between veneration and worship.  The only ones confused on the issue are anti-Catholics who pretend not to understand the teaching for their own reasons.
3.  The errors of Catholics do not invalidate the infallibility of any Church Teaching.
4.   Your idea that any disciple's failure to understand a teaching somehow brings into question the sincerity of the Teacher indicts not only the Catholic Church, but every Christian teacher through the ages up to and including Jesus Christ.  You even indict yourself since you are here teaching your version of Christianity and I know that I don't understand how you come up with more than half of your ideas.

Ironically "uncatechized" tribes of early European barbarians had more sense - they received Christ but wouldn't call Mary "mother of God" and got slandered as "Arians" when they were not. Profession of the Trinity is no virtue to those who use it to shoe-horn Mary into the Godhead (as God's mother no less!).

Thanks for providing this.  It gives me an opportunity to compare your beliefs to Scripture and Catholic doctrine to Scripture.

Obviously, you explicitly deny that Mary is the Mother of God.  So, what does Scripture say with regard to that question?

Luke 1:43-45
King James Version (KJV)
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Lets break this down:
1.  The word "Lord" is here mentioned two times.
2.  In the second instance, it is an obvious reference to God.  "Blessed is she who believes that the LORD would fulfill His promises."  That is an obvious reference to God.
3.  Therefore, then, what could she possibly have meant when  she said, "mother of my LORD"?
4.  Since she was inspired by the Holy Spirit to utter these words, she must have meant what is most obvious.  Is Jesus, God?  Yes.  Therefore, the words she uttered could also be translated, "mother of my GOD".

So, God explicitly teaches us, in His Word, that Mary is the Mother of God.  This is what you deny and therefore you deny the outright teaching of the Word of God in Scripture.

Marian fanatics won't rest until some Pope announces her apotheosis.

 Apotheosis?  I'm not sure if that is a synonym of Theosis, which is Catholic Teaching regarding us all. All who die in Christ will share in the divine nature:

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The "pillar and ground of the truth" placates any noisy group -

Your mistaken.  If that were so, the Protestants would have been placated long ago as they are the noisiest group ever.

today they kiss the Koran,

Show me where Scripture says it is a sin to kiss a book?  If it isn't a sin, then what is your objection?

tomorrow they deify Mary.

 We honor Mary in obedience to the instructions of Scripture.

Luke 1:48
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

I invite you to be a Bible Christian.

 Catholics are already Bible Christians.  I invite you to be a true Bible Christian and leave behind the errors of the Protestants.

Or perhaps you like where you are at while ignoring inconvenient facts.  

I love the Church which Christ established for my salvation.  It is you who are ignoring the plain teaching of the Word of God.

If I'm wrong, God have mercy on me - my ambition was to be consistent and Bible believing. 

You are wrong.  If you do not repent, may God have mercy on your soul:

James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

But God has sent you to this blogsite in order that you may learn the Wisdom of His Word through the Teaching of His Church:

Ephesians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Sincerely,

De Maria

Fielding an onslaught of anti-Catholic objections

And many other such traditions, they held.

Anti-Catholic says: 

Eating blood is forbidden as a universal concept - before the law (Gen9:4) under the law (Lev 17:14) and in the NEW TESTAMENT:
"...abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." Acts 15:20"...abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood..."Acts 15:29

Read in context, those two prohibitions have to do with the eating of anything which was killed and offered in a pagan ritual. It is written in the typically redundant manner of a Hebrew. Abstaining from the pollution of idols includes the abstaining from fornication which frequently accompanied the pagan rituals and from eating strangled and dismembered in the same rituals.

The people making these prohibitions are the same ones who eat the bread which is the body of Christ and drink the wine which is the blood of Christ: 1 Corinthians 10:16

You blaspheme Jesus Christ - he NEVER violated the law, in spirit or letter. 1 Pt 2:22; Hebrews 7:26; John 8:45.

Apparently, the Jews thought that He did. That is why they judged Him guilty of sacrilege and had Him killed. Let us see what the Scripture says on that matter:

Deuteronomy 13:1-6
1 If there arise among you a prophet,.... Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; ....5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; ....

The Jews did not believe that Jesus was God. Therefore they said to Him:
Matthew 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

Washing hands before you eat is not a law, nor taking grain by hand on the sabbath. 

Taking grain by hand on the Sabbath was against the Mosaic law as is clearly evidence in the attempted gathering of the manna on the Sabbath: Ex 16:26-30

Hung on a tree was not prohibited - the body was simply to be taken down and buried that day: Dt 21:23 (see, John 19:31 ff). 

You've missed the point.

Deuteronomy 21:23...(for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) 

Anyone who is hanged is accursed of God. Therefore, according to a literal interpretation of the Scriptures, such as a Protestant would make, Jesus is accursed of God.

Unsaved Romanists

With the Apostle I say God is my Judge: 1 Cor 4:2-4

Whether I am saved or not is for God to judge. Not you. And you, no matter how often you call yourself saved, will also stand before the judgement seat: Rom 14:10

You think you can save yourself by claiming salvation, but you are simply usurping God's right to judge all mankind. You can have your judgement. I will await God's.

read John 6 and think of a priest mumbling over a cup of red alcohol. A saved man reads John 6 and sees Christ's blood shed on the cross at Calvary. 

That is where you are wrong. A Catholic reads John 6 and understands how Christ said He would save us with His Blood. Whereas it is still a mystery how Protestants claim to be washed in the Blood of Christ when they don't believe that Christ gives them that Blood in the Eucharist.

Apparently, they go out and slaughter Christ again in order to so bathe.

Eternal life is obtained spiritually by believing in Christ,

Believing in Christ does not mean denying His words.

not by physically eating and drinking: "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63.

Scripture is spiritually discerned: 1 Cor 2:14

Have you not heard of the THE flesh?

Romans 7:25...but with the flesh the law of sin.

But does Christ say to eat THE flesh or HIS flesh?

John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

There's a big difference between HIS flesh and THE flesh:
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

"He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." John 6:47. "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink" Rom 14:17. 

But in order to enter the Kingdom of God you had better eat of the Flesh of the Son of man and drink His Blood:

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Christ died once and sat down at God's right hand: "after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool." Heb 10:12-13. 

Amen! But did you forget that He remains the Lamb slain in eternity?
Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

So Jesus doesn't leave God's right hand until the second advent (Rev. 19:11).

1. It says He sat down. It doesn't say He never stands back up again. Nor does it say that He doesn't come back again and frequently.

2. However, everything is possible for God, therefore, He can be in millions of places at the same time.

Deny it. Go ahead, deny that God can be in many places at once.

Since Christ's sacrifice is finished ("he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." John 19:30). 

Again, you say this because you don't understand the Scriptures. He said that His portion of the sacrifice was finished. We still have our part.

1. Christ is our Passover:
1 Corinthians 5:7

2. The Passover must be eaten:
Exodus 12:8-12

So what is the significance of the Roman Catholic's eucharistic sacrifice:"the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils." 1 Cor 10:20.

That describes pagan sacrifice. We offer the pure oblation which God commands: Malachi 1:11

"...seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." Heb 6:6. 

This is a reference to those who have received all the Sacraments of God and then turned away from Christ. Note that they crucify Him again. Because He died for their sins and then they embrace those same sins again.

You don't take Christ literally anyhow - you say he was making a metaphor that his blood just stands for wafers and "unbloody" wine slurped by Roman Catholic priests. 

I have no idea what you're talking about. We believe Christ. We believe everything He says. It is only by faith that one can receive these spiritual truths.

The literal meaning is that Christ literally poured out his blood on the cross for the sins of mankind. That is the literal meaning. And it wasn't painless little ceremony at high noon on a lace covered table. It entailed monumental shame and agony and was endured by Christ just once, and it now over and done with:"for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Heb 12:2. 

Yes, it was painful and a tremendous sacrifice. And Christ commanded that you do this painless little ceremony in remembrance of His painful sacrifice. But you reject and disobey His Command. Here is what the Word of God says about those who refuse to remember Christ's sacrifice:
Hebrews 10:25-31
King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

But Catholics say, "you didn't die quite enough, more shame, more agony please. Don't sit down in heaven, come down to our altars and suffer again. We will shame again as a perpetual victim. We want to sacrifice you anew and drink your blood." What a blasphemous mockery! 

It is Protestants who blaspheme and make a mockery out of Christ's sacrifice by refusing to remember what He did for us. Yes, its a painless little ritual which takes less than an hour. BUT YOU REFUSE TO DO IT IN REMEMBRANCE OF CHRIST as He commanded. Remember the Scripture:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Therefore obey.

Shame on you cannibalistic, bible-rejecting, vampires

Shame on you bible rejecting murderers who sacrifice Christ again and tread upon the sacrifice which He shed His blood for you. It is you who reject the Word of God in Scripture and Tradition. It is you.

You mock what Jesus Christ really did in 33 AD to elevate the importance and idolatry of your own weekly ceremony in sacrifice to devils. 

No, we remember His Sacrifice. Whereas, you belittle it and tread upon it.

"Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips." Ps. 16:4.

This is speaking of the Old Testament. Whereas in the New, Jesus says:
1 Corinthians 11:23-25
King James Version (KJV)
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

And you refuse.

Sincerely,

De Maria

However, any Protestant doctrine which disagrees with Catholic doctrine also disagrees with Scripture.

DA:Yes, there are. You are misled and deceived. When you can lay down a Catholic doctrine before a Catholic and place it next to Scripture that doesn't agree and the Catholic still will not believe the Bible instead, they are blind and deceived.

All Catholic doctrine agrees with Scripture. However, any Protestant doctrine which disagrees with Catholic doctrine also disagrees with Scripture. Here are two quick examples of such.

Faith alone. Scripture says:
James 2:24
King James Version (KJV)
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Protestants reject Tradition. Scripture says:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

You've turned YOUR back on the true Jesus by worshiping a man created piece of dough and treating it as deith.

The Eucharist is the Body of Christ:
1 Corinthians 11:24-28
King James Version (KJV)
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

You have turned your back on Jesus by trampling on His Body and rejecting the Spirit of Grace which saves you:
Hebrews 10:25-31
King James Version (KJV)
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

That is called idolatry and Catholics are guilty. Period.

Rejecting the Body of Christ is a form of Blasphemy which will lead to spiritual death. And Protestants are guilty:

John 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

1 Cor 11:
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.


Sincerely,

De Maria

We aren’t Protestants

Comments on the Shameless Popery blog,

De Maria says:

April 29, 2015 at 5:09 am

Craig Truglia says:
April 29, 2015 at 2:11 am
I’m not making myself an authority on anything. 

Yes, Craig, you are.

Let me explain, from Scripture.

Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Do you deny that Scripture is teaching, in this verse, that the Church is the Teacher of God’s word?

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Do you deny that in this verse, Scripture is teaching that Christ speaks through His Church?

See, Craig, you are asking us to set Christ aside and listen to you. Because Christ speaks through His Church. Therefore, if you want us to set the Church aside and listen to you, you are asking us to set Christ aside.

The fact you cannot actually respond to what is written but instead lament that because I am not the Catholic Church, I am by default wrong, reflects a circular logic.

It is circular logic to you because you would never dream of NOT leaning upon your own understanding. But we obey Scripture:

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

The truth is that, unless Protestants think they understand a doctrine, they won’t believe it. They, you, wouldn’t dream of accepting a doctrine unless you can quantify it in your own mind.

But we believe the Church whether we understand the Doctrine or not, because we believe Jesus Christ is speaking through the Church.

You can verify that whether I am apostate or you are, because verification means nothing to you.

On the contrary, we have verified that you contradict the Catholic Church and that means that you contradict Jesus Christ who speaks through His Church.

The sole authority is the Catholic Church, regardless of what earlier Catholics have written, what the Scripture says, or the internal logical consistency of present-day Catholic teachings (here prayers for the dead.)

The sole authority is God who established the Catholic Church and speaks through Her. It is she who wrote the New Testament based upon the Traditions passed down by Jesus Christ.

Decrying that I am not Catholic and therefore my opinion is invalid does not prove anything and it is an argument that only impresses the ignorant.

We don’t decry that you aren’t Catholic. We decry that you put yourself in authority over the Word of God. We decry that you put yourself above Jesus Christ.

We aren’t Protestants with whom you can quibble about the meaning of this and that word in Scripture. We aren’t Protestants with whom you can discover the meaning of the Scripture. We aren’t Protestants with whom you can invent new meanings to the Word of God.

We are Catholics. The true sons of Abraham. Who believe the Doctrines of Jesus Christ which have been passed down by the Catholic Church for 2000 years.

I hope you’re not insulted.