Soooo? You don't know if you're saved?

DS:  I get tired of this blatant lie. You deny Scripture and you call God a liar. We do NOT judge ourselves saved.

Soooo? You don't know if you're saved?

You're arguing a straw man.

So, you don't consider yourself saved?

We believe and do what God says to do to be saved in His word.

You do something to be saved? So, why do you complain that we do too?

And then His own word tells us that we can know we have eternal life yet you keep insisting that we cannot know.

Let's look at that verse in more context:1 John 5
King James Version (KJV)
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.


2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.


So, the faithful are those who keep the Commandments.


5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


And they who have proven their faith AND LOVE of Christ by keeping the Commandments, overcome the world.

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 

Sooo, IF, you believe in God and keep His Commandments, then you know you have eternal life. That's the context before this verse. 
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Do you keep His Commandments?

Now just who are we to believe, you or God?

God:1 Corinthians 4:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Stop with this nonsense. I am saved, not because I declare it, but because it's so due to my coming to Christ and believing on Him and the Spirit's witness to mine.

Then you have judged yourself. You may have your reward. I will await God's judgement upon me.

Now keep calling God a liar if you want to but the Bible doesn't agree iwith you.

The Bible doesn't agree with you picking a verse out of context.

1 John 5:13

King James Version (KJV)

¹³ These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.Sincerely,

De Maria

I think very highly of St. Paul.

De Maria says:

September 22, 2012 at 7:16 pm

Hello Steve,

Steve Martin says:
September 21, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DeMaria,

You must not think too much of St. Paul and Romans 7.

I think very highly of St. Paul. I emulate his life to the best of my ability. I also love all the Word of God, including Romans 7. So, you’re wrong on that point.

You must think that wasn’t a Christian writing that.

I know that St. Paul is a Christian. And still a member of the Body of Christ to whom I pray almost daily. So, you’re wrong on that point also.

You also, I’m sure, don’t think too much about the sins of omission.

I don’t think you know what a sin of omission is. Otherwise you would believe in faith and works. If you believe in sins of omission, then you automatically contradict faith alone. Think about it.

They are every bit as deadly as the sins of commission.

Agreed. That is why faith alone is dead. Read Matt 25:31-46. That is the definition of sins of omission.

I’m sure you live on a thin margin of income and give the rest to the poor. I’m sure you’ve sold all your possessions (except your computer) and have given it all to the poor. And I’m sure you routinely visit nursing homes and jails and work with the homeless.

You really ought reread the Pharisee and the tax collector parable and see where you fit in. You don’t sound very much like the real sinner who went away justified…but more like the guy who thought he was doing a pretty good job of it.

1. Whether I do enough to merit God’s favor or not, is between God and I. I bet you haven’t seen this in Scripture either:
Romans 14:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

God is my Judge. Not you.

2. It seems you need to reread the verse. I’m not the one exalting myself over another. It is you who are exalting yourself over me.

But you also will be judged by God, no matter how much you claim to be saved by sins of omission (faith alone).

Sincerely,

De Maria