The Operation of God through Baptism - 3

 

De Maria

20 minutes ago (edited)

 @Emmanuel The King  @De Maria the jehovas witnesses give scripture, mormons, SDA’s etc it’s easy to twist the scripture. DM-True. And Protestants have been twisting Scripture since the time of Martin Luther. ETC-U have a form of godliness but do not know the power of it. Especially regarding salvation. DM-I'll do my best to show you that it is you who are denying the power of the Gospel. ETC-By your beliefs I can baptise a Muslim and because I believe I transfer it to him. What a distortion. the gospel relies on the INDIVIDUAL realising they even need a saviour because they realise they are a sinner. DM-Let's talk about that because you're mixing truth and error in those statements. Let me break down your statement. You said: ETC-By your beliefs I can baptise a Muslim and because I believe I transfer it to him. DM-No, not true. I've been talking about parents baptizing their children. And I compared it to the miracles of Jesus wherein He healed certain children on the faith of their parents. For example, Jairus' daughter. She was dead. Jesus brought here back to life because of the faith of her Dad, Jairus and her Mom. This is comparable to a father and mother bringing their child to be baptized and Jesus' acting through the Sacrament, brings them to eternal life. Furthermore, this is consistent with the Biblical Teaching of intercession. Jesus also healed a paralytic based on the faith of his friends. Mark 2:3-5 King James Version 3 And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four. 4 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. Notice what Jesus did here. When He saw the faith of the paralytic's friends. Let me repeat, when He saw the faith of the paralytic's friends. NOT THE PARALYTIC'S FAITH. Jesus forgave the paralytic's sins. He didn't heal him, initially. Understand? He didn't heal him initially. He healed his soul. Thus bringing his soul back to spiritual health. And then, when the Pharisees objected, Jesus said: 10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. So, He healed the paralytic's illness in order to show that He has authority to heal the soul. And that is what He does for us in Baptism, He heals our soul and the soul of our beloved children. ETC-What a distortion. the gospel relies on the INDIVIDUAL realising they even need a saviour because they realise they are a sinner. DM-Notice how Jairus' daughter did not realize she needed a Saviour. Nor did she go seeking Jesus. She was already dead. Notice how the Canaanite's daughter did not seek Jesus. Nor did she realize she needed a Saviour. Even the paralytic did not seek to be forgiven. Yet Jesus washed away his sins. And, if your doctrine is true, then what happens to the power of intercession which Scripture demands of us all? We are supposed to intercede for all mankind. 1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; You are denying the power of the Gospel when you claim that God will not grant His grace through an intercessor. ETC-A baby cannot do this. DM-Our children don't need to do it. The gifts which God grants to us extend to our children, as well. Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, *and to your children*, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Even in the Old Testament this was true: Deuteronomy 29:29 King James Version 29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. God has revealed the we are saved in Baptism and that gift is for us and for our children. ETC-It is quite amazing that this is a belief of Rome, the city on seven hills spoken of in revelation, that great whore. I could go on and on. DM-Please do. And I will continue to show you your errors.

The Operation of God through Baptism - 2

 ETC- @De Maria

It is total waste of time discussing this with you. DM-Sorry you feel that way. ETK-all you have written in response is catholic tradition, twisting the scripture to what you believe it means. DM-I think I've proven that the Scriptures substantiate the Teachings of Jesus Christ which are passed down through Catholic Tradition. Remember, Jesus didn't write the New Testament. The Catholic Church did so. And she did so, based upon the Teachings of Jesus Christ. These Teachings are otherwise known as, Catholic Tradition. ETK-You have so many holes in ur beliefs it’s honestly mind boggling. DM-If you had identified even one hole in my beliefs, you would have done your best to reveal it. But your response indicates that you were frustrated because you could find no holes in my argument and thus have no recourse but to ease out without admitting defeat. ETK-Just do me one favour, just one! DM-If its reasonable and doesn't cost any money. wink. ETK-Read the book of Ephesians. Just read it for what it says. no catholic bias. Just pray and say god reveal what the scriptures means. DM-And you, do me the same favor. Read the book of Ephesians or any book of the Bible which you choose, without any Protestant presuppositions. May God open your eyes to the Truth which Jesus Christ has passed down through His Church. God bless you.

The Operation of God through Baptism - 1

 

ETC-Wrong! Ephesians 1:13 KJV In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, baptism is a public declaration of obedience to what u have believed. DM-True. But what is it that you believe? You deny the efficacy of the operation of God through Baptism. We believe it. Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. For example, Scripture says: Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. The Catholic Church Teaches that our sins are washed away in Baptism, just as Scripture says. But you deny this. Am I right? So, what do you believe? You claim to believe in Christ but the plain word says that Baptism saves, but you deny it: 1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us .... ETK-The body and blood is done in REMEMBRANCE for what Christ has done for you. DM-So it is. And again, you claim its only an unnecessary symbol. Thereby denying the power of Jesus Christ. Do you believe that the Old Testament is greater than the New? I don't. Scripture says: Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Let's compare the Bread of Life to the manna of heaven. Jesus said: John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Thus, over and again He reiterates that the Eucharist is His flesh. His Body. John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Jesus says His bread is His Flesh. You deny it. Jesus says His bread saves. You deny it. Tell me, if the Eucharist is just a symbol, how is it better than the manna? How is it a better promise, since the bread we use for the Eucharist is made by growing wheat on a farm and mixing with water and baking. Yet, the manna was sent down from heaven? ETK-Salvation is a ONE time transaction. DM-and you therefore cheapen salvation, as though your mere words would be enough to claim for yourself something which Saints endured agony upon agony to receive. Read the Scripture. Haven't you seen that: Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. ETK-Read Ephesians and various other church age books and you will CLEARLY see you are believing a lie DM-I believe I have clearly shown that you don't understand the power of the Gospel. Read the entire Bible and see how Jesus Christ is the source and summit of our faith.

Can a 2 month old believe? -1

 

ETC-😂😂 it (baptism) requires faith you heretic. Can a 2 month old believe ??? wow

 DM-Well, let's peruse some Scripture. Jesus brought this child back to life by whose faith, the child's? Or the parent's? Luke 8:50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.....54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. 55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat. How about this young lady, by whose faith was she saved, hers or her mother's? Matthew 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Understand that when we baptize our children, it is because of our faith in the operation of God that our children's soul's brought from spiritual death into life with Christ. Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.