Saved by grace in the Sacraments - 18

 

De Maria

22 hours ago (edited)

 JB-@De Maria The Catholic Church took out the second commandment because it dealt with idol worship. Gee, I wonder why? DM-No, John, she didn't. The Catholic Church enumerates the Commandments correctly. Now, let's read that Commandment and see how the Protestants mess it up. Here's the Catholic enumeration. 1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve. 2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.... Here's the Protestant. 1. You shall have no other gods but me. 2. You shall not make unto you any graven images.... Notice how the Protestant #2 immediately contradicts the Word of God, because God. Because God Himself commands the Israelites to make a graven image. Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. Numbers 21:8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. But the Catholic Church understands that images are fine, as long as you don't worship them. Otherwise, if you can't have images, then get rid of your television, your camera, your pictures and all other things that make images and toss the images in your home, car, wallet and anywhere else. JB-"Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood."- Revelation 1:5 It's the blood of Jesus that wipes away all our sins, not our works. DM-True. We get the Blood of Christ from the Eucharist. Where do you get it since you reject and deny the Eucharist? 1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? And remember, without good works you will not receive the Blood of Christ: Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. JB-Those of us who are saved are in the arms of the Lord forever. Hallelujah! DM-As long as you don't fall away: 1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. JB-Good luck with working for your salvation. DM-Good luck judging yourself saved. I will continue to obey the Word of God and work for my salvation as God demands: Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I think salvation is worth the effort. 2 Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. JB-The Jesus I worship paid for my salvation in full. DM-The Jesus I worship requires me to imitate Him and become truly holy, as He is holy. 2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Hebrews 12:14 King James Version 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

The Catholic Church does not teach universalism

MT said:
Prelude to the Controversy
Over at Nick's Catholic Blog, I had mentioned that the doctrine of universal atonement (as opposed to the doctrine of particular atonement), often leads to universalism, or the doctrine that since Christ died for all, all will be saved. In deed, many, if not most, Roman Catholic liberals believe precisely this.

Speculation. I've found plenty of Protestants who believe in universalism as well.

However, the Catholic Church does not teach universalism, so this is besides the point.

They may technically affirm the existence of hell. But they don't actually believe anybody will ever go there. 

1. We believe the devils are in hell, this is directly revealed by God.

2. Whether anyone else is in hell is God's business, not ours.

3. Our business is to make sure we don't wind up in hell.

This means they are universalists in practice, even if not in theory.

Exactly the opposite. We KNOW that hell exists. We live according to that fact. It is theoretically possible that no one is in hell. That is theoretically possible, but highly unlikely considering the heinous criminals which have died without ever showing any sign of repentance. But God alone knows.

In deed, no Roman Catholic has to believe anyone is in hell, for it is theoretically possible that anyone may choose to avail him or herself of the salvation that Christ's atonement has made possible in his or her behalf.

True. But we do believe that hell exists. That the devils are there because God made hell for them. And that we had better toe the line or we might wind up there as well.

Two more points.

1. If a Catholic does not believe that hell exists, he contradicts Catholic Teaching.

2. If a Protestant does not believe that hell exists, he is free to do so under the rule permitting private interpretation of any doctrine.

Sincerely,

De Maria