Showing posts with label expiation. Show all posts
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Thursday, July 12, 2012

Flagellation (self inflicted suffering), is it in Scripture?

Hi Lutero,

First, I want to point out that in this response, you are sharing many opinions.  But no Scripture whatsoever to support those opinions.
Then why is the Catholic Church in the Phillipines impressing now upon the local filipinos to give up that old taboo of self flagelaltion that has held them in bondage to this day?
Oh, wait!  What are you complaining about?  That the Church taught or did not teach flagellation?  Truly the song is come true, we can't win for losin' (Matt 11:16-17).


Does the Catholic Church say we MUST? Please provide the teaching.

Here is what the Scripture says however:
1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.



In the New Testament persecution is described as something that we have to endure IF it comes our way AND NOT to stick our necks deliberately on the chopping block. 

Unless you are a hero who doesn’t mind showing off in public just like how Jesus described the pharisees and priests were show off’s in public eye – wanting self pithiness and public attention.
Do you pretend not to know how athletes train even today?  Have you never trained for a sport?  Were you ever in the military?  Self inflicted pain is part of this culture.

 I can’t believe you condone such practices.

I condone making sacrifices for our fellow man and for God:
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Catholic devotional practice is completely in line with Scripture, Lutero.  And you are simply outraged at that which Scripture teaches.

Show me your outrage from Scripture Lutero. All you are doing is posturing.  You claim to believe in Scripture remember?  That is what Scripture says and Catholic devotions are completely in line with Scripture.

Christians who suffered persecution in the early church was a result of their faith in Christ and they only endured it. To endure the pain of persecution of one’s faith in Christ is not the same as deliberately indulging in self flagellation – the later is only what people proudly want to show to the world their acts of falsehoods but their love is actually far away from Christ.
That was said like a true Pharisee Lutero.  Can you read those people's hearts too?


Lutero, when will you provide substantiation for your outrage?  Self sacrifice for the Kingdom of God, is strongly suggested in Scripture (Matthew 9:15;Matthew 10:42).

Sincerely,

De Maria