Showing posts with label election. Show all posts
Showing posts with label election. Show all posts

Sunday, July 12, 2015

Christ died for us, all

Scripture says:

2 Corinthians 5:14 [a]For the love of Christ impels us, once we have come to the conviction that one died for all; therefore, all have died. 15 He indeed died for all, so that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
It is a Protestant error that Christ died only for those who are saved.  Christ died for saint and sinner, alike.  The difference is that the saint accepted the gift of salvation through Christ's blood.  While the sinner rejects that grace.

Let's dissect the above Scripture verse.

2 Corinthians 5:14 [a]For the love of Christ impels us,
First, the Apostle explains that he is compelled by his love of Christ.  Compelled to do what?  Compelled to preach the love of Christ for all men. 
once we have come to the conviction that one died for all; 

And he became compelled by Christ's love when he came to believe that Christ loved all men.  And he came to this belief once he understood that Christ had died for all men.  The Apostle in question is St. Paul and in a different letter, he says it differently.  Let's compare:

Romans 5:But God proves his love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.
Now, many will use that verse to deny that Christ died for all men, sinner or saint.  However, there are other verses which show that Christ died for all men and not just for those who would be saved.  For instance:

1 Timothy 2:who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth. 

So, it is clear that God willed that all men be saved, not just those who would eventually become saints.  So, let's go back to the original verse we were studying.

2 Corinthians 5:14....therefore, all have died. 
 What could that mean?  Well, in my opinion, the word translated as "therefore", can also mean, "because".  Christ died for all men because all men have died.  Is this true?  Yes.  It is called, "Original Sin".

The CCC says:
1018 As a consequence of original sin, man must suffer "bodily death, from which man would have been immune had he not sinned" (GS § 18).

And, we can compare to another verse in Scripture:

Romans 5:Humanity’s Sin Through Adam. 12 [a]Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned[b]

THEREFORE,  Christ died for all men.

Follow?

I hope so, therefore, I'll continue.
2 Corinthians 5:15 He indeed died for all, so that those who live might no longer live for themselves
Why did He die for all men?  So that you too would be convicted of His love for you and turn to Him in order that you might also live.

He died for you so that you might know how much He loves you.

John 3:16New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)16 For God so loved the world that he gave[a] his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
And turn to Him to be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:15....so that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
That's the condition, folks.  In order to be saved, those for whom He died, must recognize the gift of live, be grateful for it and in return, give their own life over to Him who died for their salvation:

Hebrews 5:and when he was made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him,
Folks, in a very real sense, we were purchased when we were redeemed by the blood of Christ:

1 Corinthians 6:20 For you have been purchased at a price. Therefore glorify God in your body. 
 Therefore, we need to recognize that we belong to God.  And belonging to God, we represent Him to all men.  Therefore, we should behave as sons of God and honor Him with the things that we do.  In order that those men, for whom Christ died, may turn to Him and live:

Matthew 5:16New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)16 Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.
I hope that makes sense.

Wednesday, May 20, 2015

There is more than one election in Catholicism.

De Maria,Thanks for admitting your lie about the Catholic Doctrine of Election, also.
Robert:That’s no lie. Election, by definition, confesses that those who are saved will persevere. You all just make up this category of people that are predestined to grace but not to glory.

ROBERT:

That’s no lie.

Yes, it is.

Election, by definition, confesses that those who are saved will persevere.

By Protestant definition. There is only one election in Protestantism.
There is more than one election in Catholicism. There is election for justification and election for glory.

You all just make up this category of people that are predestined to grace but not to glory.

That’s my good Protestant. If you don’t like it, or don’t want it, or can’t believe it, it isn’t so. Go on living in your delusions.

However, Catholic Doctrine admits multiple elections. Whether you like it or not.

Tuesday, May 19, 2015

That is the definition of omniscient God.

ROBERT February 13, 2015 at 2:12 am

Except, of course, that there is no uncertainty about who is elect unto glory except perhaps on the part of those so elected. God certainly knows who they are. And these individuals once saved, are always saved. By definition they will not finally fall away. For they are elect unto glory.

That is the definition of omniscient God. Note how the Catholic Doctrine preserves the necessity of good works and striving for election on our part. And God’s right of Judgement.
All of which can be verified in Scripture.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Contrast that with the Calvinist Doctrine which usurps God’s right of judgment and removes the necessity of cooperating with the grace of God in order to produce meritorious works.
All of which contradicts Scripture.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Sunday, May 17, 2015

Many are called, few are chosen

DE MARIA February 13, 2015 at 8:35 am
ERIC February 13, 2015 at 7:57 am
The whole Catholic concept of “election to grace” (temporary genuine faith)

That’s a misunderstanding of Catholic Doctrine.
Election to grace is not necessarily temporary.

All who are elected to glory, were also elected to grace. Whereas, not all who are elected to grace will make their election sure and some may fall away.

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: