If you still disagree with my interpretation, please explain why your interpretation should carry more weight than mine.

 Godismyjudge said...
Hi De Maria,
Well, this is moreso my just going over what the Fathers had to say in favor of the Pope. But they never did teach Papal infalability. So I guess my point in this post was this statement:
"I didn’t find anything in the Fathers that explicitly taught Papal infallibly or got into ex cathedra vs. non-ex cathedra statements by Popes. So right off the bat I would say the Fathers were not Roman Catholic. "
At least, one Roman Catholic apologist wasn't able to produce such evidence from the Fathers.
God be with you,
Dan

September 16, 2012 7:20 AM

 De Maria said...

Well, let's start with Scripture, if you don't mind.

Matthew 16:18-19
King James Version (KJV)
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

To me, that sounds as though Christ has just assured St. Peter, that when the Church begins its ministry, Christ will give him the charism of infallibility.

1. Tell me why you think this is a wrong interpretation.
2. If you still disagree with my interpretation, please explain why your interpretation should carry more weight than mine.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Protestants call that "checking in your brain at the door."

 De Maria said...

Hi Dan,

You said:
De Maria,

I have been hestiant to dig into scripture with you because I am unclear on what you are doing with scripture. I suspect you aren't really interpreting scripture at all, since interpretation is an inherently personal judgement. Rather I am concerned you cannot think the scriptures say anything other than what your Church tells you to think about them. So my first question is why you trust your Church in this way?

1. You're wrong. Long ago I rejected the idea of God and therefore rejected the Church. When God brought me back, I attempted to find the doctrines of Protestant theology in the Scriptures. I couldn't find them there. All I could find were the opposite of what Luther and Calvin taught.

2. My interpretations of Scripture were and remain in agreement with the Doctrines of the Catholic Church.

3. 2 major cases in point.

Sola Scriptura contradicts 2 Thess 2:15.
Sola Fide contreadicts James 2:24

Every single Protestant doctrine which disagrees with Catholic Teaching also disagrees with Scripture.

4. As a result, I realized that it is Protestants who are not interpreting Scripture but reading into Scripture the doctrines of the Reformers. Otherwise, how do you get doctrines that so blatantly contradict Scripture?

5. After I realized that the Catholic Church is the True Church, I had to do what Scripture tells us all to do:
Proverbs 3:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Hebrews 13:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Matthew 18:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Protestants call that "checking in your brain at the door." I call it "being obedient to the Word of God."

What do you call it?

God be with you,
Dan

Sincerely,

De Maria