Saturday, March 7, 2015

March 8, 2015 - Third Sunday Of Lent - Year A Scrutinies

Scrutinies have to do with the rites of initiation for those adults who will be baptized this Easter.

Lectionary: 28

Reading 1 EX 17:3-7


In those days, in their thirst for water,
the people grumbled against Moses,
saying, “Why did you ever make us leave Egypt?
Was it just to have us die here of thirst
with our children and our livestock?”
So Moses cried out to the LORD,
“What shall I do with this people?
a little more and they will stone me!”
The LORD answered Moses,
“Go over there in front of the people,
along with some of the elders of Israel,
holding in your hand, as you go,
the staff with which you struck the river.
I will be standing there in front of you on the rock in Horeb.
Strike the rock, and the water will flow from it
for the people to drink.”
This Moses did, in the presence of the elders of Israel.
The place was called Massah and Meribah,
because the Israelites quarreled there
and tested the LORD, saying,
“Is the LORD in our midst or not?”
The beautiful thing about this story, is that St. Paul revealed, in the New Testament, that the Rock which gave the Israelites water in the desert, is Jesus Christ:
1 Cor 10:3All ate the same spiritual food, 4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was the Christ.   

Responsorial Psalm PS 95:1-2, 6-7, 8-9

R. (8) If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Come, let us sing joyfully to the LORD;
let us acclaim the Rock of our salvation.
Let us come into his presence with thanksgiving;
let us joyfully sing psalms to him.

R. If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Come, let us bow down in worship;
let us kneel before the LORD who made us.
For he is our God,
and we are the people he shepherds, the flock he guides.

R. If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Oh, that today you would hear his voice:
“Harden not your hearts as at Meribah,
as in the day of Massah in the desert,
Where your fathers tempted me;
they tested me though they had seen my works.”

R. If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

By saying that the Rock was Christ, St. Paul illustrated for us that Jesus Christ is God.  God is the Rock of our salvation.  When Jesus Christ named Simon, Peter, He illustrated the Peter, the Rock of the Church, is God's representative on earth.

Reading 2 ROM 5:1-2, 5-8


Brothers and sisters:
Since we have been justified by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom we have gained access by faith
to this grace in which we stand,
and we boast in hope of the glory of God.

And hope does not disappoint,
because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts
through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
For Christ, while we were still helpless,
died at the appointed time for the ungodly.
Indeed, only with difficulty does one die for a just person,
though perhaps for a good person one might even find courage to die.
But God proves his love for us
in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.
We are justified by faith, when we come to the fount of grace and profess our faith in God through Jesus Christ.  Then, seeing our faith, He declares us righteous.  And when we submit to Baptism, God washes our sins away and makes us new creatures.  

Verse Before The Gospel CF. JN 4:42, 15

Lord, you are truly the Savior of the world;
give me living water, that I may never thirst again.
It is Christ who gives us living water through the Holy Spirit in the Sacraments.

Gospel JN 4:5-42


Jesus came to a town of Samaria called Sychar,
near the plot of land that Jacob had given to his son Joseph.
Jacob’s well was there.
Jesus, tired from his journey, sat down there at the well.
It was about noon.

A woman of Samaria came to draw water.
Jesus said to her,
“Give me a drink.”
His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.
The Samaritan woman said to him,
“How can you, a Jew, ask me, a Samaritan woman, for a drink?”
—For Jews use nothing in common with Samaritans.—
Jesus answered and said to her,
“If you knew the gift of God
and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink, ‘
you would have asked him
and he would have given you living water.”
The woman said to him,
“Sir, you do not even have a bucket and the cistern is deep;
where then can you get this living water?
Are you greater than our father Jacob,
who gave us this cistern and drank from it himself
with his children and his flocks?”
Jesus answered and said to her,
“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again;
but whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst;
the water I shall give will become in him
a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
The woman said to him,
“Sir, give me this water, so that I may not be thirsty
or have to keep coming here to draw water.”

Jesus said to her,
“Go call your husband and come back.”
The woman answered and said to him,
“I do not have a husband.”
Jesus answered her,
“You are right in saying, ‘I do not have a husband.’
For you have had five husbands,
and the one you have now is not your husband.
What you have said is true.”
The woman said to him,
“Sir, I can see that you are a prophet.
Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain;
but you people say that the place to worship is in Jerusalem.”
Jesus said to her,
“Believe me, woman, the hour is coming
when you will worship the Father
neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
You people worship what you do not understand;
we worship what we understand,
because salvation is from the Jews.
But the hour is coming, and is now here,
when true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth;
and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him.
God is Spirit, and those who worship him
must worship in Spirit and truth.”
The woman said to him,
“I know that the Messiah is coming, the one called the Christ;
when he comes, he will tell us everything.”
Jesus said to her,
“I am he, the one speaking with you.”

At that moment his disciples returned,
and were amazed that he was talking with a woman,
but still no one said, “What are you looking for?”
or “Why are you talking with her?”
The woman left her water jar
and went into the town and said to the people,
“Come see a man who told me everything I have done.
Could he possibly be the Christ?”
They went out of the town and came to him.
Meanwhile, the disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat.”
But he said to them,
“I have food to eat of which you do not know.”
So the disciples said to one another,
“Could someone have brought him something to eat?”
Jesus said to them,
“My food is to do the will of the one who sent me
and to finish his work.
Do you not say, ‘In four months the harvest will be here’?
I tell you, look up and see the fields ripe for the harvest.
The reaper is already receiving payment
and gathering crops for eternal life,
so that the sower and reaper can rejoice together.
For here the saying is verified that ‘One sows and another reaps.’
I sent you to reap what you have not worked for;
others have done the work,
and you are sharing the fruits of their work.”

Many of the Samaritans of that town began to believe in him
because of the word of the woman who testified,
“He told me everything I have done.”
When the Samaritans came to him,
they invited him to stay with them;
and he stayed there two days.
Many more began to believe in him because of his word,
and they said to the woman,
“We no longer believe because of your word;
for we have heard for ourselves,
and we know that this is truly the savior of the world.”
It is strange how fickle we are.  The Samaritans believe in Christ because of the woman's testimony.  But, the very next year, when Jesus was going to Jerusalem to suffer His passion, they would not let Him in the town.  
Luke 9:51-53 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
V. The Journey to Jerusalem: Luke’s Travel Narrative[a]
Departure for Jerusalem; Samaritan Inhospitality. 51 [b]When the days for his being taken up[c] were fulfilled, he resolutely determined to journey to Jerusalem, 52 [d]and he sent messengers ahead of him. On the way they entered a Samaritan village to prepare for his reception there, 53 but they would not welcome him because the destination of his journey was Jerusalem.

Or JN 4:5-15, 19B-26, 39A, 40-42


Jesus came to a town of Samaria called Sychar,
near the plot of land that Jacob had given to his son Joseph.
Jacob’s well was there.
Jesus, tired from his journey, sat down there at the well.
It was about noon.

A woman of Samaria came to draw water.
Jesus said to her,
“Give me a drink.”
His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.
The Samaritan woman said to him,
“How can you, a Jew, ask me, a Samaritan woman, for a drink?”
—For Jews use nothing in common with Samaritans.—
Jesus answered and said to her,
“If you knew the gift of God
and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink, ‘
you would have asked him
and he would have given you living water.”
The woman said to him,
“Sir, you do not even have a bucket and the cistern is deep;
where then can you get this living water?
Are you greater than our father Jacob,
who gave us this cistern and drank from it himself
with his children and his flocks?”
Jesus answered and said to her,
“Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again;
but whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst;
the water I shall give will become in him
a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
The woman said to him,
“Sir, give me this water, so that I may not be thirsty
or have to keep coming here to draw water.

“I can see that you are a prophet.
Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain;
but you people say that the place to worship is in Jerusalem.”
Jesus said to her,
“Believe me, woman, the hour is coming
when you will worship the Father
neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
You people worship what you do not understand;
we worship what we understand,
because salvation is from the Jews.
But the hour is coming, and is now here,
when true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth;
and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him.
God is Spirit, and those who worship him
must worship in Spirit and truth.”
The woman said to him,
“I know that the Messiah is coming, the one called the Christ;
when he comes, he will tell us everything.”
Jesus said to her,
“I am he, the one who is speaking with you.”

Many of the Samaritans of that town began to believe in him.
When the Samaritans came to him,
they invited him to stay with them;
and he stayed there two days.
Many more began to believe in him because of his word,
and they said to the woman,
“We no longer believe because of your word;
for we have heard for ourselves,
and we know that this is truly the savior of the world.”

Friday, March 6, 2015

Does this make any sense?

ERIC February 11, 2015 at 5:49 pmJames–We receive the final verdict of righteousness by faith accompanied by love but by faith apart from the works of love (in terms of our own efforts).
What?
In the message above, Eric is a self declared Lutheran.  He is explaining to a Catholic named James, that faith alone is really faith and love.  I'm sorry, but that just sounds like a pretext to deny salvation by faith and works.  Now, its no longer faith alone, but faith and love.  But, I'm sure they'll find a pretext to call faith and love, faith which is alone with love.

Thursday, March 5, 2015

Reunion with the Catholic Church is impossible, as long as you cling to your heresies.

ROBERT February 11, 2015 at 5:48 pm….Even if the only thing Trent condemned were distortions and caricatures, reunion would still be impossible ….
You don’t get it, Robert. The Catholic Church is infallible. Get a clue from those who have reunited with the Church. They have all admitted their errors and repented of their sins. Then they were admitted back in the fold.
The Catholic Church is infallible, Robert. Reunion with the Catholic Church is impossible, as long as you cling to your heresies.

Wednesday, March 4, 2015

The meritorious cause is His most beloved only begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ

ERIC February 11, 2015 at 5:49 pm
James–We receive the final verdict of righteousness by faith accompanied by love but by faith apart from the works of love (in terms of our own efforts).
What?
It is, thus, compatible with the “meritorious cause” of justification according to Trent, but not the “formal cause” of justification according to Trent:“…the alone formal cause is the justice of God, not that whereby He Himself is just, but that whereby He maketh us just, that, to wit, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind, and we are not only reputed, but are truly called, and are, just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to every one as He wills, and according to each one’s proper disposition and cooperation.”
It’s that last line that we must object to…and which isn’t even compatible with the “meritorious cause.”

I fail to see why it isn’t compatible.
the meritorious cause is His most beloved only begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies,[33] for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us,[34] merited for us justification by His most holy passion on the wood of the cross and made satisfaction for us to God the Father,
Essentially, what this is saying is that it is because Jesus Christ offered Himself on the Cross (meritorious cause) that the grace of God (God’s justice, the formal cause) is poured out to us in the Sacraments.

Tuesday, March 3, 2015

We don't accept every wind of doctrine

Michael Taylor said:
….That could describe a lot of us, ….
Lol! Yeah, its pretty obvious that Protestants came here thinking they could use their unsupported and unbiblical arguments to roll over Catholics.
I guess that’s what you guys are used to doing amongst each other. But Catholics believe in Christ. We don’t accept every wind of doctrine that any Martin, John and Huldrych dreams up.

You can't give what you don't have

De Maria September 7, 2014 at 11:16 PM
Tom January 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM
I am a practicing Roman Catholic and chatechist and want to serve the Lord and worship only Him.
Good job, Tom. However, I believe you should stop being a catechist until you resolve this issue. You should not teach or pass on your doubts about the truth of Catholic Doctrine to those seeking the knowledge of the Truth. This is for the good of your own soul. The Scripture says:
Mark 9:41 And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
If we were meant to speak/pray to other believers who have died in the flesh and are now we assume to be with the Lord, wouldn’t one of the Gospel writers, or Paul, or any of the other writers of the epistles (especially Revelation) have mentioned that such a practice occurring or admonished us to do so. Our Church has taken liberties in this regard where the truth is not certain as to whether God approves of this practice and Who may be jelous that our prayers are only directed to Him.
Several things here.
1. Remember that Scripture tells us that the Church teaches the wisdom of God:
10 That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church,
Therefore, you are not the interpreter of the Word of God. The Church is the one whom Christ appointed to teach you His Doctrines:
Matthew 28:
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
2. What you haven’t noticed is that we have a New Dispensation in Jesus Christ.
a. First, Jesus Christ is our model.
b. In the Transfiguration, we see Jesus Christ speaking to Moses and Elijah:
Matthew 17:
2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow.3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
3. And St. Paul reveals that we, who are baptized, now walk with the spirits of men made perfect. These are the Saints. They are walking side by side with us and they can hear us:
Hebrews 12 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
1 And therefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head, laying aside every weight and sin which surrounds us, let us run by patience to the fight proposed to us:….
18 For you are not come to a mountain that might be touched, and a burning fire, and a whirlwind, and darkness, and storm, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words, which they that heard excused themselves, that the word might not be spoken to them:20 For they did not endure that which was said: And if so much as a beast shall touch the mount, it shall be stoned. 21 And so terrible was that which was seen, Moses said: I am frighted, and tremble.
22 But you are come to mount Sion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, 23 And to the church of the firstborn, who are written in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new testament, and to the sprinkling of blood which speaketh better than that of Abel.
Therefore, Tom, we are walking with the Saints and Angels upon Mt. Sion. And we can talk to them the way Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah upon Mount Tabor.
Many catholics, including my wife, pray to St. Anthony when they lose something of value. Strangely enough, often times they find the item in a very unusual and mysterious way that defies logic. While I am not dogmatic that this is wrong, we must be wary that this could be an example of 2 Cor 11:14, where “Satan transforms himself into an angel of light.” He does this for the purpose of steering people away from our true Lord and His gospel and he may be allowed by God to interact with us in this way when we attempt to speak to spirits (including believers and saints who have died in the flesh). We would most likely consider it as sinful if we prayed a similar prayer St. Anthony sincerely using a ouija board and invited his feedback instead of instead of attemptig to speak to him at church while also praying to God in the next sentence. Nevertheless, I digress.
Its not the same thing. When we pray to the Saints, we pray to members of the body of Christ.
When you use a ouija board, you are practicing witchcraft.
This issue seems to come down to one’s comfort in only trusting the Word of God, the Bible, as the ultimte authority on this topic, or if one is open to Church tradition as also having authority in this manner.
If the Bible were your authority, you would obey Church Tradition. Because the Bible tells you to obey your Rulers in the Church:
Hebrews 13:
7 Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation,
Notice that it is Priests from whom you learn the Word of God. Not from the Bible alone.
While I have on rare occasion, said the Hail Mary, etc. usually in a group setting, I am not comfortable doing so. For some Catholics such as myself and most protestant brothers, bowing our head and speaking to someone other than our God creates guilty and seems like a blasphemous act for which I must request His mercy.
First of all, don’t do anything that violates your conscience.
Second of all, if Mother Mary is good enough for Jesus Christ, she is good enough for me. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ had to ask her for food, clothes and for her loving arms? Do you not realize that He gave her to us from the Cross to be our mother? Do you not realize that all who keep His Commandments and profess His Gospel are children of Mary?
Revelation 12:
17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Therefore, I choose to offer my prayers to God alone, bolding approaching His throne of grace, as we are admonished to do throughout His Word.
Then it sounds as though you are no longer a Catholic. May God forgive you because you have committed the sin of Esau:
Hebrews 12:16-17Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
16…. as Esau; who for one mess, sold his first birthright.
17 For know ye that afterwards, when he desired to inherit the benediction, he was rejected; for he found no place of repentance, although with tears he had sought it.

Monday, March 2, 2015

Catholics believe in absolute Truth

ERIC February 11, 2015 at 7:20 am….Had he (a Catholic) even once during our dialogue backed down or reconsidered a point…or said he would have to look into something? No, he never budged a smidgen. And yet I was obviously the one being stubborn.
You’re used to backing down and reconsidering points because neither you nor your brethren possess the absolute truth. You believe it is polite to accept lies as truth.
We don’t. We believe that which Jesus Christ still Teaches, through His Church.

Protestants' carefully crafted fables

VG:How's life on Fantacy Island working out for you?
It is you who live in your carefully crafted fables. We live in the House of God, the Church, established by Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 3:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Sunday, March 1, 2015

Yes there is public continuity. That is the promise of Jesus to His church.

ROBERT February 11, 2015 at 4:16 amEric,I think I’d have to say yes and no to this. Yes there should be public continuity given the promise of Jesus to His church.
Bingo.
The issue becomes how one defines that continuity.
Wrong answer. The issue should be how God defines that continuity.
There’s just no evidence in Scripture that the continuity is identified by the RC and EO view of Apostolic succession.
There is plenty of evidence. You just reject it. Here’s just one example:
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Do you think that the Church could exist to the end of the age, without continuity?
It certainly isn’t the primary way we define continuity.
Lol! Sounds as though you’ve got a secret, non-biblical source which you rely upon to define what Scripture means. What is this primary way by which you define continuity? And show it to me in Scripture.
Continuity is defined by the Apostolic tradition, which is either fixed (NT) or its whatever you want it to be.
Huh? If you say so. Now, show it to me in Scripture.
Rome goes off the rails (and the EO as well, though to a lesser extent) by not having a fixed Apostolic tradition that is equivalent to what the Apostles mean when they use the term tradition
You’ve got that totally flipped. If you look at Protestant history, you see a history of continual upheaval and reforming. Protestants continually going off the rails.
It is, in fact, Apostolic Tradition which is the anchor which keeps Catholic Doctrine on the rails of Christ’s Deposit of Faith.
We have no reason to accept the authority of Scripture without that continuity;
That is precisely what St. Augustine said:
“If you should find someone who does not yet believe in the gospel, what would you [Mani] answer him when he says, ‘I do not believe’? Indeed, I would not believe in the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so” (Against the Letter of Mani Called ‘The Foundation’ 5:6).
This is a confusing statement at best. Basically, this forces one to say that no OT could know what Scripture was and that Jesus was essentially clueless when he expected them to.
Non sequitur
First, history shows that the OT Jews did not know what Canonical Scripture was. If you look at history, you will find that before the advent of Jesus Christ, the OT Jews had many more books than those which the Catholic Church put in her OT canon.
Second, history shows that after the ascension of Jesus Christ, in the age of the Catholic Church, the Jews rejected the Septuagint version of the Scriptures which Jesus Christ used.
The Septuagint is a Greek language version of the Scriptures which was originally written by Jewish Scholars for Greek speaking Jews.
Since some of them accepted this version but some rejected them, this is proof that they were confused as to the canon of Scripture.
Third, history shows that the Jews did not attempt to put together one volume of Scripture, as did the Catholic Church. There were many books out there which the Jews used as Scripture, which were not accepted by the Catholic Church. The proof of this is that some of these books were probably accepted by the Apostles themselves (Book of Enoch, Jude 1:14). Yet the Church did not admit them into Scripture because Christ did not make a reference to them and did not use them.
It also calls into question the idea that what the Apostles wrote was immediately authoritative by virtue of their position, whether or not their audience believed what they wrote. It basically makes the authority of Scripture dependent on the authority of the church, but it’s a circular argument because the only way that Rome can even begin to prove that it has authority is to go to the Scriptures and look for evidence that Christ founded the church in the way that they said.
That is the Protestant M.O.
The Catholic Church has access to the writings of the Fathers and other historical documents which prove her existence from Apostolic times.
Rome’s argument for authority is ultimately a vicious circle. Scripture is authoritative because the church says so and the church is authoritative because Scripture says so.
Lol! That’s not circular. That’s a helix. Here’s an example of circular reasoning, “the bible tells me so”.
indeed, the liturgical practice provided the context for the preservation of Scripture (i.e., what was read in the liturgy).
We pray as we believe and we believe as we pray. Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi: As We Worship, So we will Live
This is only half true. Liturgical practice did provide the context, but it wasn’t the only thing that provided the context.
That is Catholic Teaching.
The early church’s treasuring of the NT as the uniquely authoritative Word of God is another.
Uniquely? No. The entity which established the Liturgy and the Traditions which are the basis of the Liturgy as well as the New Testament Scripture were also authoritative for the Early Church.
The OT principle that the covenant community is to be governed by the authoritative covenant document is another.
Notice that the OT principle was not Scripture alone. God appointed Prophets and Kings and governments. And God only wrote one part of the OT, the Ten Commandments. The rest of the OT Scriptures were written by men based upon the Traditions which Moses had passed down to the community.
The principle that written revelation accompanies even revelation is another.
Accompanies. Not alone.
That’s what leads to this need to identify *the* Church that Jesus founded. If you can’t get there, then the whole idea of Christian belief through the centuries rapidly degenerates into absurdity.
Which is precisely what happened to the Protestant groups.
This presupposes that the church Christ founded must look a certain way and that in every generation its emphases must be the same.
Correct. It is a presupposition based upon the Teaching of Christ:
Matt 7 The Wise and Foolish Builders
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
It also essentially assumes that everyone in the first century had to be a Tridentine RC. For a community that tries its level best (nowadays) to stress development of doctrine, there’s no idea that perhaps doctrine can either develop in a wrong direction or that maybe, just maybe, the church Christ intended isn’t the church of visible hierarchical unity but doctrinal chaos.
That’s because we have faith in Jesus Christ to uphold His Church. And we believe Scripture:
Ephesians 3:10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,